[Rambo]

I believe in Allah 100%

But muslims confuse the hell out of me. It is impossible for me learn anything productive from them when they disagree over so many small issues even among themselves. I have faith in God but currently I am pursuing not to be a muslim because clearly there is chaos in the whole islamic ummah. Until this is resolved or atleast when muslims try to resolve it, I have decided to be outside the current fold of islam. In my view its better to be outside the fold because atleast this way my mind wont be confused and I can beleive in my own way peacefully.

[IbnMardhiyah]

So basically, you're telling us you're willing to risk your afterlife over something as small as temporal fluctuations?

Yeah, that's real smart.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

So basically, you're telling us you're willing to risk your afterlife over something as small as temporal fluctuations?

Yeah, that's real smart.

Risking after life would be when my intentions are wrong, but in this case I beleive my heart is right and i hope God will forgive me if I have done wrong.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Rambo

I beleive in Allah 100%

But muslims confuse the hell out of me. It is impossible for me learn anything productive from them when they disagree over so many small issues even among themselves. I have faith in God but currently I am pursuing not to be a muslim because clearly there is chaos in the whole islamic ummah. Until this is resolved or atleast when muslims try to resolve it, I have decided to be outside the current fold of islam. In my view its better to be outside the fold because atleast this way my mind wont be confused and I can beleive in my own way peacefully.

Supposingly, you're not a shia under taqiyya, you should embrace Christianity because they are the people now a days proving themselves murderers of Humanity, they are killing everyone who doesn't agree with them on their ways and values, they bomb those who want sharia and not secularism, they kill those who don't want to live like kafirs, they kill palestinians through jewish terrorists, kill Muslims in Afganistan, Pakistan and Iraq.. go hurry up, be a christian or at least a jew.
Almost all evil on earth is because of these Kuffar, see the arms trade, hunger, poverty, bloodshed, almost everything horrible is because of them. This world would be quite safe in their absence.

[Khairan]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Almost all evil on earth is because of these Kuffar, see the arms trade, hunger, poverty, bloodshed, almost everything horrible is because of them. This world would be quite safe in their absence.

There is plenty of evil on this earth caused by people who call themselves Muslim. The Prophet was chastised directly by God merely for frowning in anger when someone interrupted him with a question -- he was held and held himself to an extremely high standard.

As Muslims, we should hold ourselves to a much higher standard as well -- and there is no shortage of moral failure in our community.

[Rambo]

^ well i still beleive islam is right, but i think muslims are not right the way they follow islam in so many situations. I meant to say i am currently putting my self outside the fold of all muslims.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Khairan

There is plenty of evil on this earth caused by people who call themselves Muslim. The Prophet was chastised directly by God merely for frowning in anger when someone interrupted him with a question -- he was held and held himself to an extremely high standard.

As Muslims, we should hold ourselves to a much higher standard as well -- and there is no shortage of moral failure in our community.

Get your facts straight Khairoo
lol, well, no Muslim country is bombing any Kafir country, even OBL and Taliban were living with peace before these Evil Kuffar started their terrorism upon the Muslim world. Hitler was not Muslim either, it was not Muslims who fought worlds wars, it was not Muslims who ever used nuclear weapons on innocent Japanese, it's not Muslims who did genocide of Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo.. talk about today man, don't live in the paper of books.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Get your facts straight Khairoo
lol, well, no Muslim country is bombing any Kafir country, even OBL and Taliban were living with peace before these Evil Kuffar started their terrorism upon the Muslim world. Hitler was not Muslim either, it was Muslims who fought worlds wars, it was not Muslims who ever used nuclear weapons on innocent Japanese, it's not Muslims who did genocide of Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo.. talk about today man, don't live in the paper of books.

ok yo i am actually not even talking about politics, i am talking about the internal struggle within muslims on defining what islam is and how to follow it.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Rambo

^ well i still beleive islam is right, but i think muslims are not right the way they follow islam in so many situations. I meant to say i am currently putting my self outside the fold of all muslims.

If there was any other nation than Muslims, they would bow to Kafir US and their terrorist allies as Japanese did. It is Islam that fills the hearts of believers with trust in Allah, self respect and honour of humanity, that's why our Mujahideen are still fighting the evil Kuffar in Afganistan, Iraq, Chechniya and Palestine, and they will keep resisting because they earn confidence from their Lord, Allah, Allah is never weak, Muslims maybe. And you will see, the way Russia was destroyed, our Mujahideen will destroy the Kafir Terrorist West, insha Allah.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

If there was any other nation than Muslims, they would bow to Kafir US and their terrorist allies as Japanese did. It is Islam that fills the hearts of believers with trust in Allah, self respect and honour of humanity, that's why our Mujahideen are still fighting the evil Kuffar in Afganistan, Iraq, Chechniya and Palestine, and they will keep resisting because they earn confidence from their Lord, Allah, Allah is never weak, Muslims maybe. And you will see, the way Russia was destroyed, our Mujahideen will destroy the Kafir Terrorist West, insha Allah.

you keep going about politics, this is not a political topic, focus on islam

[Khairan]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Get your facts straight Khairoo
lol, well, no Muslim country is bombing any Kafir country, even OBL and Taliban were living with peace before these Evil Kuffar started their terrorism upon the Muslim world. Hitler was not Muslim either, it was Muslims who fought worlds wars, it was not Muslims who ever used nuclear weapons on innocent Japanese, it's not Muslims who did genocide of Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo.. talk about today man, don't live in the paper of books.

I am talking about today -- and I'm talking about the genocides in Iraq and the Sudan where Muslims are slaughtering other Muslims, the bombings of masjids in Pakistan, the honour killings of Muslim women by their own families, and the abuse of poor workers in the Arab Emirates.

It's hard to take Muslims' calls for reform in the Western world seriously when we so frequently don't even seem to notice, let alone care, about the reforms we so badly need.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Rambo

I beleive in Allah 100%

But muslims confuse the hell out of me. It is impossible for me learn anything productive from them when they disagree over so many small issues even among themselves. I have faith in God but currently I am pursuing not to be a muslim because clearly there is chaos in the whole islamic ummah. Until this is resolved or atleast when muslims try to resolve it, I have decided to be outside the current fold of islam. In my view its better to be outside the fold because atleast this way my mind wont be confused and I can beleive in my own way peacefully.

I'll say this to you. Islam is great, its a shame about all these bloody Muslims. In other words don't let the actions of others influence your view on Islam. If I had done that I would still be ignorant and unhappy.

Don't let the created get in the way fo a relationship with the creator, if the will is there study Islam, don't study the Muslims.


If you have any questions feel free to ask me, as I am a convert/revert to Islam, i'll aim to answer them clearly, if i don't know then i'll hook you up with someone who does know.


go in peace my friend and aim to learn the truth.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Khairan

I am talking about today -- and I'm talking about the genocides in Iraq and the Sudan where Muslims are slaughtering other Muslims, the bombings of masjids in Pakistan, the honour killings of Muslim women by their own families, and the abuse of poor workers in the Arab Emirates.

It's hard to take Muslims' calls for reform in the Western world seriously when we so frequently don't even seem to notice, let alone care, about the reforms we so badly need.

Shias and Sunnis lived in peace in Saddam's Iraq, they didn't kill each other, now they are killing and the reason is the Devil Kafir American and its accomplice there. As for bombing masjids or interfighting in Sudan, that can happen anywhere, Muslims are not angels, they can be wrong, sinners, fasiqeen even hypocrites, but that doesn't mean you can bomb them, invade them, kill their women and children without any reason. At least Sudanese or Pakistanis are not killing neighbouring Kuffar, the biggest reason why there's no peace in such countries is the absence of Sharia and the evil of Secularism, and the whole world knows who is responsible for the imposition of secularism in Muslim countries, for example now a days American Terrorists are trying their best to get a secular regime in Pakistan, they manipulate politics everywhere in the Muslim or 3rd world.
Honour killings is not the legacy of Islam, that's from the culture they have lived in, and it's not that everyone in the Muslim society is involved in honour killing, it's the Kuffar and their media like CNN or BBC that exagerrate such incidents. If you go to crime statistics, you find much more higher crimes in the Kafir countries than in the Muslim world, why? Though the Kafirs have best law and order situations as they claim. Let's guess how many women are sexually assaulted or raped in USA alone per 2 minutes and yeah what percentage of such ladies go to report the crime, just in case you say, no, that's because Muslims don't report the crime because reporting crime there is haraam, right?
And don't forget to check the child prostitution in the West and how the Paedophiles from US and Europe go to Philippine or other poor countries to get laid by minor girls whom they can't enjoy on the land of civilized nation because the age of consent there is 16-18.

[Jetmir]

Alhamdulilah, Allah has opened your heart to Islam. If you believe Muhammad pbuh was a prophet of Allah, then declare your Islam and follow it up with action. These are just whispers of satan trying to lead you astray. I remember someone telling their conversion story, and he said, the first day he accepted Islam, there was a fight in the mosque. He said to his friend, "this has to be the right religion, cause satan doesnt want us in here" lol. The Quran and the Sunnah is preserved, and majority of muslims agree on the most important issues. Ask Allah to guide you to the straight path, and seek refuge in Him from satan.

[MossadConspiracy]

sudan is not a secular country

the reason terrorists are killing shias in Iraq is twofold. first, they're crazy. second, they hate shias. Most of the terrorists have been killed or forced out of the country by the American forces, the Shia led ministry forces and army, and the Sunni militias that have formed in Al-Anbar and other Sunni provinces and now have more than 100,000 men. Al-Qaeda in Iraq never had one tenth of that number or anything approaching it

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