[Deadsoul]

RUMI’S SPIRITUAL SHIISM
<H3 align=left>Abstract</H3>The present paper aims to provide textual evidence in support of Rumi’s spiritual shiism. The evidence will be taken from Rumi’s Mathnawi. Shiism, in its true form, believes in the welayat (authority) of Imam Ali and his eleven descendents following the demise of Prophet Muhammad. Allah has chosen Ali and his descendents, as the true spiritual and religious successors of Prophet Muhammad, after whom there will always be a representative from Ali’s family to guide and lead human kind. This paper deals with three types of welayat: solar, lunar and stellar welayats.


Interpretation of the Mathnawi text by ‘conceptual’, ‘synoptic’ and ‘hermeneutic circle’ research techniques – makes clear that Maulana Jalal-Din Rumi honoured the office of the Imamate that is the authority – Wilayah
of Allah, the Prophet Muhammad and his 12 Divinely appointed successors.


full article found here http://icas-indonesia.org/index2.php...o_pdf=1&id=175

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I've always noticed the similarities between sufism and shiism are striking when one considers the concept of the "perfect man" and constant reference to wilayah that is a common trait of Sufi devotional practice and poetry, in comparison to the shiite concepts of imamat/wilayah in Shiism. this article is based on that particular spiritual link between the two. anyone feel that it is misrepresenting Rumi or Sufism?

[LEGALEAGLE]

Mullah Rumi was a madrassah teacher of the Hanafi fiqh.

He wasn't engaged in Taqiyyah/Lying.

Don't insult our scholars.

I've often noticed the similarities between khwarijism and twelver imamism.

The Khwariji's reject the jamaa
The Khwariji's reject 2 of the rashidun Khaleefs

If you're going to engage in crude comparisons we could go much further when we start considering that Shia during the lifetime of Hadrat Ali believed he was God.

I suggest you stop engaging in sectarianism

[Pardees]

Henry Corbin wrote a lot of stuff on what he considered the 'esoteric' links between sufism and shiism (which also seems to be focused on the concepts of imamat, wilayah, and the "insan kaamel"), you might want to look him up. though i'm not sure how his work is regarded among islamic studies scholars today. Regardless, the article you posted is pretty weak - the passages from the masnavi he quotes are focused entirely on the wilaya or attributes of Ali yet he makes a huge leap in the conclusion by suggesting that Rumi must be a twelver shiite as a result. maybe i'm missing something, as i really only read parts of it and skimmed the rest.

[IbnAbdullah]

Give Rumi a break, he's dead, not living anymore, he was shi'i or not, don't worry, save yourself from shi'ism, if someone has misguidance in his destiny, you can't save one from it, Allah guides all of us, there is really no use of raising controversies, you don't like Rumi, fine, don't read his mathnavi
Read my posts, I'm not shi'i...

[Unity]

Why do you people have to bring in this Shia Sunni stuff?
It's soo damn primitive! Live and let live
As far as Rumi goes...even though i like his poetry
some of his stuff is kinda freaky

[Deadsoul]

what's freaky about rumi's poetry?

[Unity]

Well, for instance, have you read the one about
the lady and the donkey?
The moral is basically that individual's should
have self-control...i dont think i need to get
into greater detail...
but ya, some of his stuff really freaks me out.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Deadsoul

Interpretation of the Mathnawi text by ‘conceptual’, ‘synoptic’ and ‘hermeneutic circle’ research techniques – makes clear that Maulana Jalal-Din Rumi honoured the office of the Imamate that is the authority – Wilayah
of Allah, the Prophet Muhammad and his 12 Divinely appointed successors.

Maulana Rumi was a Sunni and a Hanafi who was highly critical of Shias.

Noone who has read the Mathnawi (or even parts of it) would question Maulana Rumi's status as a Sunni; it's very evident from the way he speaks about Abu Bakr (RA) and Umar (RA).

Further, the Safavid dynasty hadn't even come along at that point.

Wishful thinking on your part.

[Biryani]

There's reason to believe Shams i Tabriz was Shia Itna Ashari. All his descendants are thus. If you know Rumis relationship with his teacher, thi'll explain why he may espouse some Shii ideas..

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Biryani

There's reason to believe Shams i Tabriz was Shia Itna Ashari. All his descendants are thus. If you know Rumis relationship with his teacher, thi'll explain why he may espouse some Shii ideas..

Shams Tabriz was a Shafi, though pretty much every group has tried to claim him. Again, the paper is nonsense. Maulana Rumi speaks just as highly of Abu Bakr (RA) and Umar (RA) as he does Ali (RA).

[HeartBreaker]

Maulana Rumi was a Sunni and a Hanafi who was highly critical of Shias.

Noone who has read the Mathnawi (or even parts of it) would question Maulana Rumi's status as a Sunni; it's very evident from the way he speaks about Abu Bakr (RA) and Umar (RA).

Further, the Safavid dynasty hadn't even come along at that point.

Wishful thinking on your part.

Rumi did not hate Shias and you are extremely bewildered and confused to claim the absense of the Safavid dynasty means what??? there werent any twelvers lol

refresh your knowledge on history and on religion please; it will do you a lot of good and prevent you from embarrassing yourself

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by HeartBreaker

Rumi did not hate Shias and you are extremely bewildered and confused to claim the absense of the Safavid dynasty means what??? there werent any twelvers lol

refresh your knowledge on history and on religion please; it will do you a lot of good and prevent you from embarrassing yourself

No, it means that the Ithna'Asheris were still a scattered minority who hadn't wiped out the majority Sunnis in modern-day Iran through genocide.

Refresh your knowledge on everything you mentioned, "lol."

Anyway, nothing you said further establishes that Maulana Rumi was a Shia. You've clearly never read the Mathnawi; noone who has would ever make the claim he was Shia, not unless they were willing to twist plain facts/statements for the sake of an agenda.

May Allah SWT save our scholars & awliya from such ridiculous accusations..

[HeartBreaker]

They were not a scattered minority. Twelver Shias were a majority of Syria, South Iraq, South Lebanon, Ahsa and Khorosan and made up large minorities in Yemen, Tehran (Rayy), Anatolia and the sub-continent.

Gain some knowledge, boy and may Allah quench your ignorance.

And I never claimed Rumi was a Shia

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by HeartBreaker

They were not a scattered minority. Twelver Shias were a majority of Syria, South Iraq, South Lebanon, Ahsa and Khorosan and made up large minorities in Yemen, Tehran (Rayy), Anatolia and the sub-continent.

Gain some knowledge, boy and may Allah quench your ignorance.

OK. From what you just stated, they were

a) scattered
b) a minority

When were they a majority in Syria, btw?

Originally Posted by HeartBreaker

And I never claimed Rumi was a Shia

Then you really don't have a point, do you? This thread is about whether Rumi was Shia or not.

So, have you read the Mathnawi?

[Rida]

This topic reminds me of a blog post i read awhile ago by siddi yursil
Mind, Body, Soul » Blog Archive » Maulana Rumi (R) on Karbala, Ashura, Shia practices

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