Imam Ali a 'Lion' or 'Human Being'?

IbnAbdullah · #1 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 12:02 PM

I never heard a lion defeat an army or conquered Khaiber.. in fact lions were not used in wars though horses and camels even elephants were used, but lions..no they were never used. Then I don't understand how a lion can be better than or superior to we humans? Lion has a tail, we don't, we are omnivores, lions are not, we brush our teeth or miswak, lions can't..hey we are better than lions, we can even hunt them using AK47 or the torpedoes? I'm not sure, never tried.

Anyways, please tell me how Imam Ali can be a lion of Allah while he's a human being, and humans are better than lions, Imam Ali is supposed to be a Human Slave of Allah, agree?

Does Quran praise any lion in the world?

rahat · #2 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 12:04 PM

This is a title given to Imam Ali by Prophet Muhammad (SAW), not something that other individuals decided to use.

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Jamroll · #3 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 12:05 PM

I think it's just a honorary title to denote his courage and strength.

Like, Abu Huraira didn't really father any cats, it was just his love for cats that they gave him the name.

Spice · #4 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 12:05 PM

Your question sums up your knowledge quite well.

IbnAbdullah · #5 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamroll

I think it's just a honorary title to denote his courage and strength.

Like, Abu Huraira didn't really father any cats, it was just his love for cats that they gave him the name.

I understand Bro, about Abu Hurayra because he was not Cat of Allah, was he? Khalid bin Wali was Sword of Allah, not a Panther of Allah, because Allah has not praised animals over humans. Ali r.a was given the title of Abu Turab, and that makes sense, but Lion of Allah

MossadConspiracy · #6 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 12:12 PM

use your brain and figure it out

Abdul_Karim · #7 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 01:02 PM

Lions are brave.

Sayyidina Ali (radiallahu anhu) was brave.

Jamroll · #8 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

I understand Bro, about Abu Hurayra because he was not Cat of Allah, was he? Khalid bin Wali was Sword of Allah, not a Panther of Allah, because Allah has not praised animals over humans. Ali r.a was given the title of Abu Turab, and that makes sense, but Lion of Allah

Ali (ra) was reknowned for his courage and strength in battle. As well as his other outstanding attributes, he was an accomplished warrior, formidable to the extent that his opponents in battle were terrified to face him, much like someone would be terrified to face a lion.

You mentioned about Khalid bin Walid (ra) was called Saifullah. Allah (swt) does not literally have or have any need for a sword. It is just an expression, brother.

Are you saying you have some information that Ali (ra) should not be referred to as Asadullah, or is this your own opinion?

rahat · #9 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 02:38 PM

Nasibi.

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rahat

Abdul_Karim · #10 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rahat

Nasibi.

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rahat

That's unfair. He's not expressing hatred for Sayyidina Ali (radiallahu anhu), whom he apparently respects. Rather, he seems to be expressing some sort of bizarre hatred towards lions.

Salahadeen · #11 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 03:18 PM

Rahat, Nasibis would not say "Imam" Ali.

Nonetheless, Ibn Abdullah does seem to have Nasibi tendencies, just like some other so-called Sunnis have Rafidhi tendencies.

We really should stick to the middle course and the opinion of the mainstream. Ibn Abdullah, the tactic you are using is forbidden in the Quran, and it is said that this is the methodology of the Yahood and the hypocrites, i.e. to ask such questions in mockery.

You really are doing a disservice to Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama'ah, by giving the Shi`a ammunition to use against us. They love to claim we are Nawaasib, when we are not! It is people like you who confuse the matter.

Please, please, speak with reverence towards Ali ibn Abi Talib [ra].

jinnzaman · #12 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Salahadeen

Rahat, Nasibis would not say "Imam" Ali.

Nonetheless, Ibn Abdullah does seem to have Nasibi tendencies, just like some other so-called Sunnis have Rafidhi tendencies.

We really should stick to the middle course and the opinion of the mainstream. Ibn Abdullah, the tactic you are using is forbidden in the Quran, and it is said that this is the methodology of the Yahood and the hypocrites, i.e. to ask such questions in mockery.

You really are doing a disservice to Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama'ah, by giving the Shi`a ammunition to use against us. They love to claim we are Nawaasib, when we are not! It is people like you who confuse the matter.

Please, please, speak with reverence towards Ali ibn Abi Talib [ra].

I second this post.

We have a plethora of hadeeth regarding the high status of Ali (radhi allahu anhu) and he is one who is promised paradise and one who had the honor of marrying the beloved daughter of the Prophet (sallahu alayhi wa sallam) and continuing his lineage upon this earth.

Attacking 'Ali's status could be kufr if one goes to extreme, so lets chill out, inshaAllah.

Rida · #13 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdul_Karim

That's unfair. He's not expressing hatred for Sayyidina Ali (radiallahu anhu), whom he apparently respects. Rather, he seems to be expressing some sort of bizarre hatred towards lions.

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Timbit · #14 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdul_Karim

That's unfair. He's not expressing hatred for Sayyidina Ali (radiallahu anhu), whom he apparently respects. Rather, he seems to be expressing some sort of bizarre hatred towards lions.

He's a species-ist.

How are humans superior to animals, huh?

rahat · #15 (**permalink**) 02-10-2008, 04:06 PM

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haha my sentiments exactly!