[MoonStar]

Originally Posted by Variable

No one has yet acknowledged that their are health risks. I've acknowledged there are benefits while at the same time saying that I, nor anyone else, knows how they measure against the risks.

as said already for Muslims it's a commandment so for us there's some wisdom in it. The good outweighs the risks. And cutting the risk of heterosexual AIDS transmission by 50% is a good enough reason in this day and age.

if you look it up there's a whole list of health benefits, on wikipedia at least, and other sources I'm sure.

also in a pre-crash thread several islamican mothers posted about how uncircumcised babies are prone to getting infections since it's hard to keep it clean especially when they're in diapers, even if you change the diapers regularly.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by MoonStar

as said already for Muslims it's a commandment so for us there's some wisdom in it. The good outweighs the risks. And cutting the risk of heterosexual AIDS transmission by 50% is a good enough reason in this day and age.

if you look it up there's a whole list of health benefits, on wikipedia at least, and other sources I'm sure.

There's at least as much on Wikipedia that discusses the risks and why it's not necessary or even a good idea. There's more on other sites. From an objective point of view, there simply isn't consensus on whether the benefits outweigh the risks or not.

Objectivity aside, from a faith based point of view, I'm interested in what rationale might there be behind God creating us with pieces of flesh whose sole purpose is to be (painfully) cut off. Thanks to those who've already shared their views.

[Bluestar]

torture good job i say

[ameen]

Originally Posted by Revert

SO do you accept that Ibrahim circumcised himself as a test or not? It's not emphatically stated in the Quran but Hadrat Ibrahims devotion to Allah IS explaned in the Quran. I was wondering if you accept the Tawrahs explanation of Ibrahims devotion to Allah too.

salam,

The Qur'an does not say Prophet Ibrahim circumcised himself. Do you accept everything in the Torah?

[Revert]

Originally Posted by ameen

salam,

The Qur'an does not say Prophet Ibrahim circumcised himself. Do you accept everything in the Torah?

See thats the thing I do believe the Torah(the Law), the Quran was sent to confirm it but dispel the Talmud (rabbinical additions). From what was taught to me by Rabbi's, is that the circumcision of Abraham (Ibrahim) was a symbol of his devotion to God, however Rabbinical additions to the religion made it so it was ritualised.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by MoonStar

as said already for Muslims it's a commandment so for us there's some wisdom in it. The good outweighs the risks. And cutting the risk of heterosexual AIDS transmission by 50% is a good enough reason in this day and age.

if you look it up there's a whole list of health benefits, on wikipedia at least, and other sources I'm sure.

also in a pre-crash thread several islamican mothers posted about how uncircumcised babies are prone to getting infections since it's hard to keep it clean especially when they're in diapers, even if you change the diapers regularly.

Circumcision isn't practiced amonst The Majority of Brits, if infections were as common as you are making out i'm sure the practice would be common place.

I asked my mother whether I experenced any infections or whether my cousins had or any of her friends babies had and she said no. I guess it just depends on the people.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by zakk

revert, if I could do any action in this deen in my children's stead and take that obligation off of them, I would. This is one of the only things I can think of off the top of my head where I can take care of the obligation for my son, at a time when he won't remember the pain or need to make a decision about it.

I undertand that Zakk and MashaAllah that you want to do that.

My point is that if this issue is a spiritual and religious obligation, then surely its more rewarding for the person to make their own decision. As we are all aware we won't get to paradise on the actions of others, its our own deeds that get us there.

Then again we are both coming from very different backgrounds and have very different biases.

[Bluestar]

But if someone grew up and really wanted it done, i bet he'd wish his mama had made that decision at a time when he wouldn't be able to remember it and if he didn't want it, well, i suppose, he's not missing much?

anyway, the issue doesn't really worry me. It's obviously something one should think about and discuss with their partner. You never know, you might end up with someone who decides he wants to preserve the choppings and throw it in the River Nile or something

[TrentReznor858]

There is a higher chance of get an infection or decay. It isn't necessary to keep it extra skin.

[Bluestar]

maybe men could wash properly? just a thought

[Variable]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

There is a higher chance of get an infection or decay. It isn't necessary to keep it extra skin.

And most of the medical community say it isn't necessary to cut it off. It's apparently a diminishing trend on a global scale.

But ... is it just about hygiene and health? Why did God create us with this piece of skin that was so prone to infection and disease.

Again, females were created with similar tissue that wasn't meant to be cut (although there is a minority of people who'd disagree with me)... and they get along fine.

[ShahRukh]

Variable: On one hand you're not willing to accept medical evidence that supports male circumcision, on the other hand, rational arguments that support this religious based tradition dont make much sense to you...So what exactly are you looking forward to from this thread?

Originally Posted by Variable

But ... is it just about hygiene and health? Why did God create us with this piece of skin that was so prone to infection and disease.

The logic behind your argument is soo freaking lame that I cant help but laugh and wonder why God created your dumb ass that craps and litters everywhere you go and spreads infection and diseases...


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[Revert]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

There is a higher chance of get an infection or decay. It isn't necessary to keep it extra skin.

With this high chance of infection, i've only ever known one person to ever get one.

Maybe its different in other countries though.

[Sabz]

Originally Posted by Variable

I'm not exactly sure what this is saying - but it kind of decreases the sexual pleasure in men as far as I know.



... as far as I remember, it was no sweat.

O dude i didnt think you were moslem.....My bad

As salaam u alaikum

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Sabz

O dude i didnt think you were moslem.....My bad

As salaam u alaikum

... I'm not Muslim.