[Khairan]

Originally Posted by Macaca

We need Islamic law- I don't care that some nonmuslims are mad about it.

The problem is not "needing Islamic law" -- it is in "needing Islamic law" in lands where the majority of people reject its use. A big part of the issue with Muslims implementing shariah in non-muslim lands lies precisely with their lack of interest in the concerns of the non-muslims living in those lands.

I think Ibn Mardhiyah is spot on with his comment that if it be implemented at all, there should be a general agreement between all involved parties. If this is the case, then it is really irrelevant whether Western nations "recognize" it or not as the parties themselves will. If you want to live in a country where people are forced to live by shariah whether they want to or not, then a Western, non-muslim country isn't the best place for you.

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by shadha

Kona_Silat: Why Have Sharia Law In The West?

Because it's working oh so well in the East?


shadha-

Maybe that's why we should have it here then. Clear the bad name it's gotten.

[Kona_Silat]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Maybe that's why we should have it here then. Clear the bad name it's gotten.

What we need to do is clear the bad name that Muslims have gotten because of some bad apples.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by shadha

Kona_Silat: Why Have Sharia Law In The West?

Because it's working oh so well in the East?


shadha-

Sorry to eb so blunt but your flippant attitude shows your ignorance on the matter. If you truly knew what Sacred Law was you would know that thats not what is being applied in so called Muslim lands.

Do you not think that as a Muslim it would be better for you and your family to have Shariah applied in instances such as Marriage or (Allah forbid) Divorce?

This is what is being disscussed in the UK.

[Kona_Silat]

Originally Posted by Revert

Sorry to eb so blunt but your flippant attitude shows your ignorance on the matter. If you truly knew what Sacred Law was you would know that thats not what is being applied in so called Muslim lands.

Do you not think that as a Muslim it would be better for you and your family to have Shariah applied in instances such as Marriage or (Allah forbid) Divorce?

This is what is being disscussed in the UK.

What are some advantages for having a divorce under Shariah law? and which law (brit or islamic) will grant fairness to both parties?

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Kona_Silat

What are some advantages for having a divorce under Shariah law? and which law (brit or islamic) will grant fairness to both parties?

Shariah law offers the Muslims many opportunities to reconcile themselves before finally divorcing. As far as I am aware, upon finallity of the divorce, the wife is entitled to keep every thing the Husband gaver her as a Gift or as a dowry.

IN British Law a woman can take everything from a Man, or vice versa. Islamic law allows for both parties to be treated as fairly as possible. Also under Islamic law a man is required to provide for his children, they also in get inheritence.

In British law a Man can easily write his own children out of his will, ensuring his children get nothing.

LegalEagle can confirm or deny these points at will.

[roberto]

[quote=Revert;78364]Shariah law offers the Muslims many opportunities to reconcile themselves before finally divorcing.

As far as I am aware, upon finallity of the divorce, the wife is entitled to keep every thing the Husband gaver her as a Gift or as a dowry.

The emphasise is on the word gift and even that can be challenged

Attempts are always made to try and obtain reconciliation

IN British Law a woman can take everything from a Man, or vice versa. Islamic law allows for both parties to be treated as fairly as possible.

Take the lot, news to me; settlements are either by agreement, or by a court of law

Also under Islamic law a man is required to provide for his children, they also in get inheritence.

That also applies to the UK

In British law a Man can easily write his own children out of his will, ensuring his children get nothing.

Not just like that.

Revert did you say you lived in England up to 2 years ago?

LegalEagle can confirm or deny these points at will

Looking forward to your reply Sparrow

Under Sharia a man can divorce his wife, just by saying so on three, or is it 4 occasions, his wife has to apply

Under Sharia a man can have up to 4 wives

[Revert]

Originally Posted by roberto

The emphasise is on the word gift and even that can be challenged

Attempts are always made to try and obtain reconciliation

I don't understand what you are trying to say, could you clarify please?

Originally Posted by roberto

Take the lot, news to me; settlements are either by agreement, or by a court of law

IN many cases one party can and will take more then their fair share. The Law Isn't perfect and nor are the lawmakers.

Originally Posted by roberto

That also applies to the UK

INheritence laws ar enot as simple as that in the UK. The CSA is also a joke.

Originally Posted by roberto

Not just like that.

Revert did you say you lived in England up to 2 years ago?

Yes they can, a person has the right to what they will with their money in Western Law, I've known a few people to get royally screwed by their parents in regards to inheritence.

Originally Posted by roberto

Looking forward to your reply Sparrow

Under Sharia a man can divorce his wife, just by saying so on three, or is it 4 occasions, his wife has to apply

Under Sharia a man can have up to 4 wives

Does that offend your cultural sensibility?

[jinnzaman]

If Western states are allowed to force Muslim states to be democratic, than Muslims should be allowed to force Western states to have Shari'ah, no?

Or is invading other countries and changing their political systems only allowed for people of European descent with bigger guns than everyone else?

The hypocrisy of the West .....

[roberto]

[quote=Revert;79574]I

don't understand what you are trying to say, could you clarify please?

IN many cases one party can and will take more then their fair share. The Law Isn't perfect and nor are the lawmakers.


INheritence laws ar enot as simple as that in the UK. The CSA is also a joke.

Yes they can, a person has the right to what they will with their money in Western Law, I've known a few people to get royally screwed by their parents in regards to inheritence.

A weak response

Does that offend your cultural sensibility?

More PC type clap-trap. Why don't you asked yourself if this represents equality and if not why should it be that way

[Pushpa]

It makes no sense to have a system of law based on Sharia, when the state is itself not Muslim and has no interest in upholding Sharia.

Because Sharia is tied up with faith, I don't believe it should lie in the power of anybody to enforce it upon others unless there is a suitable system of government to support it, in place. And as that is not going to happen in the West, what are we all arguing about?

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by Pushpa

It makes no sense to have a system of law based on Sharia, when the state is itself not Muslim and has no interest in upholding Sharia.

Because Sharia is tied up with faith, I don't believe it should lie in the power of anybody to enforce it upon others unless there is a suitable system of government to support it, in place. And as that is not going to happen in the West, what are we all arguing about?

Couldn't the same be said of democracy? Muslims don't want democracy, so why should they be forced to democratize just like Wester states don't want Islamic states and shouldn't be forced to Islamicize?

[Variable]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Couldn't the same be said of democracy? Muslims don't want democracy, so why should they be forced to democratize just like Wester states don't want Islamic states and shouldn't be forced to Islamicize?

I think generally you're raising a good point. And I hope after the last decade Americans will realize how poorly this line of thinking works out "democratization = all that is good so let's give it to them if they want it or not"

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by Variable

I think generally you're raising a good point. And I hope after the last decade Americans will realize how poorly this line of thinking works out "democratization = all that is good so let's give it to them if they want it or not"

I think the talk of Islamization of the West exposes a fundamental contradiction in the Anglo-American foreign policy which is, namely, that people that comprise a nation have the sovereign right to decide what form of government they want and no other state has the authority to infringe upon that right no matter the 'national security' risk if it is not imminent and direct.

Muslims have the right to an Islamic Caliphate just like Westerners have the right to liberal democratic capitalism.