Why Have Sharia Law In The West?

[roberto]

jinnzaman said

No, what's really funny is that you've been a regular poster on this forum for a very long time but still can't figure out how to use the quote function. This leads one to conclude that either you possess some sort of mental defect or you're posting from a nursing home. Possibly both.

A childish comment, comparable in quality to the utter rubbish you have churned out on this thread.

It is obvious you are the sort of person who others move away from, or if trapped develop that glazed look as you, with pitiful conceited, churn out your verbal diarrhoea

[roberto]

[QUOTE=jinnzaman;80888]

Muslims weren't able to defend it in Spain because they were busy fighting between themselves even up until the last second and the Ottoman Empire was fighting in Eastern Europe

Indeed and that is what Muslims are still doing; fighting each other.

[IbnMardhiyah]

roberto said

A childish comment, comparable in quality to the utter rubbish you have churned out on this thread.

The only one who's been churning out rubbish in this thread is you, and I'm sure many others will agree as well.

Welcome to democracy, bozo.

[jinnzaman]

roberto said

A childish comment, comparable in quality to the utter rubbish you have churned out on this thread.

It is obvious you are the sort of person who others move away from, or if trapped develop that glazed look as you, with pitiful conceited, churn out your verbal diarrhoea

I love you too.

I see that you've learned to quote correctly, but you misspelled diarrhea.

Spank you very much.

[shadha]

shadha: Did I not say in my post that a contract can be written up and upheld? What is the problem?

shadha: What part of the Qur'an are you referring to?

shadha: Don't play with words. You said "If you were open about your beliefs and just said "I love living off the fat of the land in America and I really don't care about the commands of Allah as mentioned in the Qur'an and the Sunnah" that would be find. But now you're just lying to yourself if you think otherwise and you're insulting everyone's intelligence if you think that Islam is theoretically or practically compatible with liberal democratic capitalism, secularism, utilitarianism, feminism, or any other Eurocentric Enlightenment era or post-modernist philosophy." and I would like to know since I live in America, what part of Islam am I unable to adhere to?

What's the matter jinnz?


shadha-

[jinnzaman]

shadha said

shadha: Did I not say in my post that a contract can be written up and upheld? What is the problem?

shadha: What part of the Qur'an are you referring to?

shadha: Don't play with words. You said "If you were open about your beliefs and just said "I love living off the fat of the land in America and I really don't care about the commands of Allah as mentioned in the Qur'an and the Sunnah" that would be find. But now you're just lying to yourself if you think otherwise and you're insulting everyone's intelligence if you think that Islam is theoretically or practically compatible with liberal democratic capitalism, secularism, utilitarianism, feminism, or any other Eurocentric Enlightenment era or post-modernist philosophy." and I would like to know since I live in America, what part of Islam am I unable to adhere to?

What's the matter jinnz?



shadha-

I wasn't aware that the answers to those questions was such a pressing matter for you.

I already got what I want out of the argument which was for you to concede that as a matter of aqeedah, a Muslim must accept the commands of Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) whether it is under the Prophet (sallahu alayhi wa sallam) or any other form of government.

Thats what the discussion was about.

And if you go back to my previous posts, I've already answered those questions.

[jinnzaman]

sak01 said

But the European conquest of Iberia was gradual and literally took place over centuries compared to the initial Muslim conquest which was relatively blitzkrieg.

We're not talking about a sudden invasion by the Catholics so what were the Muslims so occupied with for so long which prevented them from repulsing the kuffar and launching a counter-attack like their ancestors?

Thats correct, but the process that became colonialism was extremely successful and it has its roots in Iberia. Its not until Europeans changed their tactic from mere warfare to warfare + economic and political actions that their conquests became increasingly successful. Up until the industrial revolution, Islamdom and Christendom were just about equal in terms of military conflict. Once the industrial revolution happens and a "core" forms in England which spreads to Western Europe, this is where we see the peripherization and underdevelopment of other parts of the world. The industrial revolution, a convergence of the economic fruits of colonialism and scientific knowledge, gives Europe the technological edge that enables it to go through a second phase of imperialism and conquer not only large parts of the Muslim world but also large parts of India and Africa and establish spheres of influence in China and Japan.

[shadha]

You already answered? Hmm, in which posts exactly? Do you mind reposting your answers? Like your answer to what part of Islam is one unable to adhere to if living in America and providing the Qur'anic proof of your comment, "...Madinah was established, Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) in the Qur'an banned any other location for Hegirah."

Thanks.


shadha-

[TrentReznor858]

shadha said

You already answered? Hmm, in which posts exactly? Do you mind reposting your answers? Like your answer to what part of Islam is one unable to adhere to if living in America and providing the Qur'anic proof of your comment, "...Madinah was established, Allah (subhana wa ta'ala) in the Qur'an banned any other location for Hegirah."

Thanks.


shadha-

Does Jinnazaman believe that you can perform hegirah to some where other than mecca or madina?

[jinnzaman]

sak01 said

Back up a bit. I understand the edge that the industrial revolution, colonialism, scientific method gave Europe but 2 of those 3 came much later than the reconquista.

What I meant to say was the colonialism was, in reality, a new type of warfare. Previously, wars had been fought over capturing strategic locations but the local populations were left largely in tact. Slavery was practiced on both sides, but it was more for domestic needs rather than for massive production of goods or cash crops. Colonialism changed all that, it made it much harder to regain territory that had been lost.

If the process of colonialism and all it entails began in Iberia, it was still small scale as were the fruits of it. Further European colonisation was gradual and only came much later to give them any furthere advantage, so it still comes back to my previous question as to what the Muslims were so occupied with that prevented them from launching a successful counter attack.

Same problems that we have today: Muslims fighting one another, not concerned with Jihad, becoming attached to the Dunya. The fall of Grenada is the most heart-wrenching account of disunity and in-fighting. When the army of Ferdinand and Isabella was launching offenses against Muslims, they Muslims were divided between two warring states (father and son). The father died and his vizier continued the fight against the son and went so far as to side with the kuffar. In fact, he eventually apostated and joined them and got the position of governor.

Even if the new found administration of Iberia did bear fruit for the Europeans it still didn't give them as big a material, economic and susbsequent military advantage that they previously enjoyed over the Muslim predecessors who successfully repelled and defeated them all the way up to Tours. The apparent imbalance back then was huge in comparison to the time of the reconquista and immediately after.

Actually, the method of colonialism which was first used in Iberia, then spread to the Canary Islands, and finally to the Caribbeans was a remarkably successful tactic and brought fabulous wealth to Spain and Portugal until France and Portugal later stepped in.

[roberto]

[QUOTE=jinnzaman;80907]

I see that you've learned to quote correctly, but you misspelled diarrhea.

The language I am using is English, if you wish to use a distorted American version that’s up to you, but don’t be a silly boy and tell me how to spell diarrhoea.

Spank you very much

Another American word no doubt, or are you into Bondage?

[ChotooMotoo]

shadha said

What's the matter jinnz?


shadha-

Well obviously he's not finalized his plans for world domination just yet, so there naturally will be some unanswered questions until he does. Try your call again later.

[jinnzaman]

ChotooMotoo said

Well obviously he's not finalized his plans for world domination just yet, so there naturally will be some unanswered questions until he does. Try your call again later.

Actually, the plans are done, I'm waiting for my editor check for grammar and spelling and to make sure my citations were accurate.

Its Wayne Enterprises, I'm sure someone will get back to you within the hour.

[ChotooMotoo]

jinnzaman said

Actually, the plans are done, I'm waiting for my editor check for grammar and spelling and to make sure my citations were accurate.

Its Wayne Enterprises, I'm sure someone will get back to you within the hour.

Ahh thanks. I'll let Shadha know, so she can send in a call. Can you give us a heads up on the press conference, or are you planning to do it all secretive James Bond movie villian style?

[jinnzaman]

ChotooMotoo said

Ahh thanks. I'll let Shadha know, so she can send in a call. Can you give us a heads up on the press conference, or are you planning to do it all secretive James Bond movie villian style?

No, I plan on doing it 300/Batman Begins/V for Vendetta style.