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Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
I asked this question because I have seen Ithna Ashri shias personally doing takfir of Aga Khanis. I would like twelver shias to quote their authentic sources with their replies.
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01-24-2008, 02:05 PM
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
Salaam,
I honestly do not know, I've heard both ways - but never from a Mujtahid.
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
I doubt Aga Khanis are.
Are they considered Muslim by anybody?
 
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
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Are they considered Muslim by anybody?
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Most Agha khanis do not consider themselves Muslims.
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
Although a lot of the Shia groups look similar from the outside, from what I've read they don't consider each other as Muslims.
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
Assalamu Alaykum
Bohras are considered to be Muslims, and are similar in fiqh to Jaafari Shias. However, they follow the wrong line of Imams and so are considered misguided to an extent.
Aga Khanis are not considered to be Muslims.
Wasalamu Alaykum
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
how can someone be named 'abdul hussain?'
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01-25-2008, 03:33 PM
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
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how can someone be named 'abdul hussain?'
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how can someone be named 'abdul hussain?'
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Abd means slave or servant, not necessarily worshipper. Imam Ali (as) is authentically reported as saying in Sunni and Shia books where he said, "انا عبيد من عباد محمد". "I am an Abd (slave) from the slaves of Mohammed".
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
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Abd means slave or servant, not necessarily worshipper. Imam Ali (as) is authentically reported as saying in Sunni and Shia books where he said, "انا عبيد من عباد محمد". "I am an Abd (slave) from the slaves of Mohammed".
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When you make claims like this is "sunni" circles it's good adab to provide the daleel.
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
Shia References:
Kafi Volume 1 Page 90
Ihtejaj Volume 1 Page 313
Sharh al-Kafi Volume 3 Page 130
Sahih min al-Seera Volume 5 Page 307
Noor al-Buraheen Volume 1 Page 430
Mustadrak Safeenat al-Bihar Volume 7 Page 430
By the way, there are many Sunnis known as Abdul-Hassan or Abdul-AbuBakr etc.
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how can someone be named 'abdul hussain?'
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Maybe some people worship Husayn. It's a bit like some Arab Christians have the name Abdul Massih (servant of the Messiah) because they worship Jesus Christ.
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^^^ Are you ignorant? I do not worship Hussain (as) you slandering takfeeri. Abd means servant or slave. It is not worship. Re-exchange your face with your buttocks please.
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^^^ Are you ignorant? I do not worship Hussain (as) you slandering takfeeri. Abd means servant or slave. It is not worship. Re-exchange your face with your buttocks please.
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hahahahahahahahaaa what an idiot.
he called jammy a takfeeri?
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Re: Are Aga Khanis and Bohras Muslims in the eyes of Twelver Shias?
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Shia References:
Kafi Volume 1 Page 90
Ihtejaj Volume 1 Page 313
Sharh al-Kafi Volume 3 Page 130
Sahih min al-Seera Volume 5 Page 307
Noor al-Buraheen Volume 1 Page 430
Mustadrak Safeenat al-Bihar Volume 7 Page 430
By the way, there are many Sunnis known as Abdul-Hassan or Abdul-AbuBakr etc.
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Again daleel from the sunni sources you claim. posting Shia sources is like trying to prove the sunnah of Mohammad(swas) using the King James Bible...there may well be some "sunnis" called those names but its not something thats advised by the 'Ulema.
Abd may mean servant but names in Sunni fiqh shouldn't denote servitude to humans..only to God.
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