[Anderson]

Originally Posted by zzze

asslamau alaykum

how old are you and how many wives do you have?

He's a 19 year old wishing to emulate his Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) say Mashallah don't chastise him.

[shadha]

I think polygyny is a beautiful thing and would encourage my husband to emulate his Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) and practice it.

MashaAllah


shadha-

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by shadha

I think polygyny is a beautiful thing and would encourage my husband to emulate his Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) and practice it.

MashaAllah


shadha-

MashAllah .......he is truly a very lucky guy.

[shadha]

MashaAllah.


shadha-

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by shadha

I think polygyny is a beautiful thing and would encourage my husband to emulate his Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) and practice it.

MashaAllah


shadha-

Who are you, and what have you done with Shadha?

[zakk]

Shadha, never leave your islamica account signed in on a computer your husband also uses.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Pushpa

I think those feelings existed even in the Prophet's time. And even the scenarios you mentioned Chotoo, have limitations; I don;'t think an ordinary Joe in today's modern world would have an easy time of it if he decided to marry again, even if it was because his wife couldn't conceive, especially as there are so many options available to childless couples these days. Personally I don't think there IS a place for polygyny in a modern context.

Being unable to concieve is just one problem, and not everyone is comfortable with adoption. What if your first wife got MS, or some other disease? There are plenty of far flung situations where legal polygyny would be helpful, but those situations are the exception, not the rule. I think most cases of polygyny are done for the wrong reasons, and that why it leads to regret in most circumstances. Then again, many first marriages are solemnized for the wrong reasons (only marrying for looks and money) so why would the second marriage be any different?

There are many situations of the second wife being abused, sometimes horendously abused, by the first wife or other family members. There are cases where the husband, though he had a good relationship with his first wife, children etc. anc couldn't afford a second wife, still marries, and then basically abandons his first wife.

So, while I won't say there is no place for polygyny in a modern context, I would say that it would have to be an extrememly regulated and controlled practice, whereby one has to obtain permision from his first wife, and consent of the second wife, and prove to a judge that it's really necessary. That's my personal take on the matter.

As for those who say that in Islam man has the right to take a second wife and doesn't need to consult his first wife or meet any conditions... remember that your first wife has rights, and you are obligated to fulfull those rights. Those rights extend beyond simply providing her with food and shelter. If you cannot fulfill her rights now, or taking a second wife would lead to you not fulfilling those rights, you would indeed be a sinner for taking a second wife. Prophet Muhammad (saw) was an exceptional man with exceptional abilities. Don't think that just because he was able to do it, you will be able to as well. Even he had domestic problems.

[Jamroll]

I understand everyone's got their opinion on this, and of that you are most certainly entitled. The only thing I would caution against is ruling it out outright, as something that is not a good thing, for the simple reason that it is, afterall, a part of the Holy Qur'an.

We should know that whilst there were thousands of Allah's prophets through history, they came for their own people, at that particular time. Muhammad (saw) brought the message for the whole of mankind, and for the rest of time until the Day of Judgement. This is a core Islamic belief. And if we believe that Allah is most Just, most Merciful, most Compassionate, it follows that our Just, Merciful, Compassionate Lord would never allow anything that is unjust or unmerciful.

Of course, there is no compulsion to marry more than one wife, so this is a non-issue for most people. However, maybe we shouldn't say "it is not suitable for a modern context". The Qur'an is relevant for all times until the end.

[shadha]

Jamroll: However, maybe we shouldn't say "it is not suitable for a modern context". The Qur'an is relevant for all times until the end.

So you would say that slavery and concubinage is still suitable for todays time then?


shadha-

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by shadha

Lol c'mon ladies.

Jamroll: However, maybe we shouldn't say "it is not suitable for a modern context". The Qur'an is relevant for all times until the end.

So you would say that slavery and concubinage is still suitable for todays time then?


shadha-

Everything in the Qur'an is suitable for all time and all places. As I mentioned in my last post, this is a core Islamic belief.

Despite the mention of slavery in the Qur'an, it is clear in both the word and spirit of Islam, through the Quran, and as demonstrated through the sayings and actions of the Prophet (saw), that slavery was effectively to be phased out. Huge emphasis was placed on freeing slaves, to the extent that it would now only be theoretically possible to have "slaves" in a war situation as POWs. And even then, the emphasis is on freeing them. But even if "slaves" are kept, there are strict injuctions of the conditions of their bondage, and their treatment during that bondage.

[shadha]

And concubinage? Or were you saying slavery to mean both actual slavery and concubinage? I'm just curious...


shadha-

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by shadha

And concubinage?


shadha-

Concubinage falls under the same thing, sis. Concubines can only be got through slaves. You cannot make a concubine of a free woman.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Timbit

So if Allah says marry one or two or three or four, if you'll be able to do justice, but that you'll never be able to do justice... then why do we interpret that to mean polygny is allowed?

Doesn't that actually mean that it's not? Because you'll never be able to be truly just between your wives?

Can you do justice among your kids?
No?
Then kill the second baby just after his/her birth?
Or better to kill your wife instead while she's pregnant - nip the evil in the bud

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by shadha

I think polygyny is a beautiful thing and would encourage my husband to emulate his Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) and practice it.

MashaAllah


shadha-

I second that; your hubby wants a COOLER wife like this one

[Pushpa]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

, maybe we shouldn't say "it is not suitable for a modern context". The Qur'an is relevant for all times until the end.

I understand what you're saying, but I am not giving out a ruling, nor am I claiming the Quran is wrong (astaghfirullah).

Yes, the Quran is for all time, but you have to admit that as a complex text that was also revealed to a specific people at a specific historic time to deal with their specific problems, there are also some local elements to it. The instructions on polygyny / 'those whom your right hands possess' / the 'wife-beating- verse (for want of a better explanation) are, I think, all examples of these local elements. It doesn't mean that acting upon the verses would be to commit haram in today's world, of course not. But do i think that they should be taken in context and that 9 times out of 10 - if not 10 - that context no longer exists? Yes.