[Liam_Saiful_Din]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

This is an ignorant belief that many have with copy and pasting..... im not a scholar, so i'd rather post the works of a scholar. You on the other hand are apparently a scholar, or a laymen who goes off at the mouth like hes a scholar since you "gotta love copy/paste scholars", but then again you are probably ahl ul kalam, and you dont really have to have knowledge to be ahlul kalam.

Whatever you say. So much for the article being your "only contribution" to this thread, eh? In any case, I don't go off at the mouth, because unlike some, I speak only what I know and what I practice. Simple as that. I'm a lowly student and act as such. If I don't know something, I send the questioner to someone who does so they can have a real conversation and get real details. I'm not a fan of copy/paste jobs because I find them to be cop outs for someone that cannot uphold an argument. Nothing was asked of you in this thread, yet you felt the need to stick some copy/paste job to present your argument. If you cannot present your own argument (and I don't mean simply rephrasing what was written in the copy/paste) then you should remain silent. In any case, I don't wish to waste brother Revert's thread with this nonsense.
Wasalam

[Revert]

i did ask haters to refrain from posting.

Jazaks to those that posted stuff relavent.

[AbuAlAbbas]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

go answer my questions in the salafi thread please

your asking me questions like did Muhammad SAW eat pizza? is dominos a biddah? and you want to me conversate with you. These posts are indicative of your level of understanding, and frankly my post was really to show people the truth, your posts is to argue with me so you can make halal the innovations of al-suffiyah. Debate all you want, but deep down inside, most people know the haq.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

your asking me questions like did Muhammad SAW eat pizza? is dominos a biddah? and you want to me conversate with you. These posts are indicative of your level of understanding, and frankly my post was really to show people the truth, your posts is to argue with me so you can make halal the innovations of al-suffiyah. Debate all you want, but deep down inside, most people know the haq.

take the flirting to pm's plz

seriously though..if you don't like Tasawwuf..just ignore the post.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

your asking me questions like did Muhammad SAW eat pizza? is dominos a biddah? and you want to me conversate with you. These posts are indicative of your level of understanding, and frankly my post was really to show people the truth, your posts is to argue with me so you can make halal the innovations of al-suffiyah. Debate all you want, but deep down inside, most people know the haq.

The point was that eating is a form of ibadah. Do you deny that?

There is fiqh of eating. There is adab of eating. But there is also a certain level of flexibility with the act of eating itself, because of the inherent nature of the act itself. One would think the same would apply to remembrance of Allah SWT.

The khutba question is more appropriate, but you failed to address that here. Probably because it's not as simple to trivialize.

[Abdul_Karim]

Some wonderful Sufi poetry of Pir-e-Ansar (Khwajah Abdullah Ansari of Herat):

In the name of God,
Most gracious,
Most merciful.

O thou munificent one
Who art the bestower of all bounties,
O thou wise one
Who overlookest our faults,
O self-existent one
Who art beyond our comprehension,
O thou omnipotent one
Who hast no equal in power and greatness,
Who art without a second:
O thou merciful one
Who guidest stray souls to the right path,
Thou art truly our God.

Give purity to our minds,
Aspiration to our hearts,
Light to our eyes.
Out of thy grace and bounty
Give us that which thou deemest best.

O Lord, out of thy grace
Give faith and light to our hearts,
And with the medicine of truth and steadfastness
Cure the ills of our life.

I know not what to ask of thee.
Thou art the knower;
Give what thou deemest best.

O God, may my brain reel with thoughts of thee,
May my heart thrill with the mysteries of thy grace,
May my tongue move only to utter thy praise.

I live only to do thy will;
My lips move only in praise of thee.
O Lord, whoever becometh aware of thee,
Casteth out all else other than thee.

O Lord, give me a heart
That I may pour it out in thanksgiving.
Give me life
That I may spend it in working
For the salvation of the world.

O Lord, give me that right discrimination
That the lure of the world may cheat me no more.
Give me strength
That my faith suffer no eclipse.

O Lord, give me understanding
That I stray not from the path.
Give me light
To avoid pitfalls.

O Lord, keep watch over me
That I stray not.
Keep me on the path of righteousness
That I escape from the pangs of repentance.

O Lord, judge me not by my actions.
Of thy mercy, save me,
And make my humble efforts fruitful.

O Lord, give me a heart
Free from the flames of desire.
Give me a mind
Free from the waves of egoism.

O Lord, give me eyes
Which see nothing but thy glory.
Give me a mind
That finds delight in thy service.
Give me a soul
Drunk in the wine of thy wisdom.

O Lord, to find thee is my desire,
But to comprehend thee is beyond my strength.
Remembering thee is solace to my sorrowing heart;
Thoughts of thee are my constant companions.
I call upon thee night and day.
The flame of thy love glows
In the darkness of my night.

Life in my body pulsates only for thee
My heart beats in resignation to thy will.
If on my dust a tuft of grass were to grow,
Every blade would tremble with my devotion for thee.

O Lord, everyone desires to behold thee.
I desire that thou mayest cast a glance at me.
Let me not disgrace myself.
If thy forgiveness awaits me in the end,
Lower not the standard of forgiveness
Which thou hast unfurled.

O Lord, prayer at thy gate
Is a mere formality:
Thou knowest what thy slave desires.
O Lord, better for me to be dust

And my name effaced
From the records of the world
Than that thou forget me.

He knoweth all our good and evil.
Nothing is hidden from him.
He knoweth what is the best medicine
To cure the pain and to rescue the fallen.
Be humble, for he exalteth the humble.

I am intoxicated with love for thee
And need no fermented wine.
I am thy bird, free from need of seed
And safe from the snare of the fowler.
In the kaaba and in the temple,
Thou art the object of my search.
Else I am freed
From both these places of worship.

Lord, when thou wert hidden from me
The fever of life possessed me.
When thou revealest thyself
This fever of life departeth.

O Lord, other men are afraid of thee
But I – I am afraid of myself.
From thee flows good alone,
From me flows evil.
Others fear what the morrow may bring;
I am afraid of what happened yesterday.
O Lord, if thou holdest me responsible for my sins
I shall cling to thee for thy grace.
I with my sin am an insignificant atom.
Thy grace is resplendent as the sun.

O Lord, out of regard for thy name,
The qualities which are thine,
Out of regard for thy greatness,
Listen to my cry,
For thou alone canst redeem me.

O Lord, intoxicate me with the wine of thy love.
Place the chains of thy slavery on my feet;
Make me empty of all but thy love,
And in it destroy me and bring me back to life.
The hunger thou has awakened
Culminates in fulfillment.

Make my body impervious to the fires of hell;
Vouchsafe to me a vision of thee in heaven.
The spark thou hast kindled, make it everlasting.

I think of no other,
And in thy love care for none else.
None has a place in my heart but thee.
My heart has become thy abode;
It has no place for another.

O Lord, thou cherishest the helpless,
And I am helpless.
Apply thy balm to my bleeding heart,
For thou art the physician.

O Lord, I, a beggar, ask of thee
More than what a thousand kings may ask of thee.
Each one has something he needs to ask of thee;
I have come to ask thee to give me thyself.

If words can establish a claim,
I claim a crown.
But if deeds are wanted,
I am as helpless as the ant.

Urged by desire, I wandered
In the streets of good and evil.
I gained nothing except feeding the fire of desire.
As long as in me remains the breath of life,
Help me, for thou alone canst hear my prayer.

Watch vigilantly the state of thine own mind.
Love of God begins in harmlessness.

Know that the prophet built an external kaaba
Of clay and water,
And an inner kaaba in life and heart.
The outer kaaba was built by Abraham, the holy;
The inner is sanctified by the glory of God himself.

On the path of God
Two places of worship mark the stages,
The material temple
And the temple of the heart.
Make your best endeavor
To worship at the temple of the heart.

In this path, be one
With a heart full of compassion.
Engage not in vain doing;
Make not thy home in the street of lust and desire.

If thou wouldst become a pilgrim on the path of love,
The first condition is that thou become
As humble as dust and ashes.

Know that when thou learnest to lose thy self
Thou wilt reach the Beloved.
There is no other secret to be revealed,
And more than this is not known to me.

Be humble and cultivate silence.
If thou hast received, rejoice,
And fill thyself with ecstasy.
And if not, continue the demand.

What is worship?
To realize reality.
What is the sacred law?
To do no evil.
What is reality?
Selflessness.

The heart inquired of the soul,
What is the beginning of this business?
What its end, and what its fruit?
The soul answered:
The beginning of it is the annihilation of self,
Its end faithfulness,
And its fruit immortality.

The heart asked, what is annihilation?
What is faithfulness?
What is immortality?
The soul answered:
Freedom from self is annihilation.
Faithfulness is fulfillment of love.
Immortality is the union of immortal with mortal.

In this path the eye must cease to see
And the ear to hear,
Save unto him and about him.
Be as dust on his path;
Even the kings of this earth
Make the dust of his feet
The balm of their eyes.

[Macaca]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

This is an ignorant belief that many have with copy and pasting..... im not a scholar, so i'd rather post the works of a scholar. You on the other hand are apparently a scholar, or a laymen who goes off at the mouth like hes a scholar since you "gotta love copy/paste scholars", but then again you are probably ahl ul kalam, and you dont really have to have knowledge to be ahlul kalam.

You said your other post was the only contribution....why are you still posting?
Anyway you should read up about the violence of the wahabis and how many muslims they killed.

[AbuAlAbbas]

Originally Posted by Macaca

Anyway you should read up about the violence of the wahabis and how many muslims they killed.

YOU should read up, its salafi's, and not wahabis, and the salafis are the FARTHEST from being violent. The salafis are the ones who are most against terrorism, they are the strongest in warning against the ideologies of terrorist groups like al-qaeda, hamas, hizb-al-shaytan, baa'ath party, etc... so tell who are they responsible for killing?

[hijabihoodlum]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

my only contribution to this thread...
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dude, you lied. lying is haraam.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

YOU should read up, its salafi's, and not wahabis, and the salafis are the FARTHEST from being violent. The salafis are the ones who are most against terrorism, they are the strongest in warning against the ideologies of terrorist groups like al-qaeda, hamas, hizb-al-shaytan, baa'ath party, etc... so tell who are they responsible for killing?

Hamas is a Salafi organization. Sheikh Yassin (RH) was a Salafi, so was Abdel Aziz Rantisi. I find it a bit odd that you would condemn their ideologies, when many non-Salafi Sunnis support them.

[Abdul_Karim]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Hamas is a Salafi organization. Sheikh Yassin (RH) was a Salafi, so was Abdel Aziz Rantisi. I find it a bit odd that you would condemn their ideologies, when many non-Salafi Sunnis support them.

Hamas is Ikhwani, not Salafi.

[AbuAlAbbas]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Hamas is a Salafi organization. Sheikh Yassin (RH) was a Salafi, so was Abdel Aziz Rantisi. I find it a bit odd that you would condemn their ideologies, when many non-Salafi Sunnis support them.

ya akhi learn before you speak, your statement is completely false, hamas is ikhwani/hizbi terrorist organization. And the salafis are the only ones that I have ever heard to speak out against this terrorist organization, so how can they be salafis?

inshAllah this post will help clear things up http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/re...terrorism.html

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Abdul_Karim

Hamas is Ikhwani, not Salafi.

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

ya akhi learn before you speak, your statement is completely false, hamas is ikhwani/hizbi terrorist organization. And the salafis are the only ones that I have ever heard to speak out against this terrorist organization, so how can they be salafis?

inshAllah this post will help clear things up http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/re...terrorism.html

IslamonLine.net

Originally Posted by Abdul Aziz Rantisi

As for the third question, Hamas considers itself a salafi movement, since it follows salafia. Hamas takes religion comprehensively. It never magnifies one side at the expense of the other.

But hey, maybe you guys know more about the organization than one of its martyred leaders.

Anyway, Hamas is a freedom-fighting movement. The only Salafis who don't support Hamas are the Saudi-chamcha Salafis (if I recall correctly, there are 3 brands of Salafis; I forget what the Saudi-chamchas are called).

[AbuAlAbbas]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

IslamonLine.net



But hey, maybe you guys know more about the organization than one of its martyred leaders.

Anyway, Hamas is a freedom-fighting movement. The only Salafis who don't support Hamas are the Saudi-chamcha Salafis (if I recall correctly, there are 3 brands of Salafis; I forget what the Saudi-chamchas are called).

saudi salafis...another monicker to attack the truth...
There is only one true salafiyyah the others are not considered salafiyyah, tell me how is one considered a salafi when he disobeys the quran and sunnah and makes halal what ALLAH swt has made haram. These people use religion for their own agendas, for political gains and for land. ALLAH swt and his messenger sAw have clearly made suicide HARAAM, yet they make it halal. ALLAH swt and his messenger sAw have clearly made the killing of innocent HARAAM yet these people have made