[Variable]

Inspired from the chimp thread...

Not long ago, I saw a PBS program about a school authority (in Virginia?) who made it mandatory to read a one minute statement to all science classes that the theory of evolution is incomplete and they could read about an alternative theory called 'intelligent design' in another textbook made available to them. (basically creationism)

The whole special is here:
NOVA | Intelligent Design on Trial | Watch the Program | PBS

Even if you don't watch it - do you think creationist theories should be taught in high school science classes and why?



I don't think so because creationist theories aren't scientifically supported enough to be considered science. Creationism should be saved for religious studies in uni.

[Anderson]

I think creationism in the form proposed by Evangelicals and Harun Yahya is incredibly inaccurate scientifically.

[MossadConspiracy]

no for two reasons

first, teaching kids that some vague mystical intelligent designer whose identity is not known went and created everything is a very short step away from teaching kids that Jesus Christ is God and God created the universe, which is the goal of the Christians who are pushing creationism. And my kids are going to be muslims

secondly, creationism isnt science so it shouldnt be taught in science classes. Maybe theres a place for it in social studies courses

[DrDynamite]

I agree with Anderson and MossadConspiracy. Well put, lads.

A very quick important point to make:

There is absolutely no contradiction between the theory of Evolution and the belief in God. It is the Atheists who wish to create such a conflict and a dichotomy between Science and Religion, and this is supported by the incredibly inept details put forth by the Bible and the Evangelists.

Allah can 'choose' any appropriate means and mechanism for Creation, and Evolution is a possible one. We ask, what is the origin of Evolution, and who is its operator?

In fact, we see in both Shia and Sunni hadith, the following:

"Before Adam there were a thousand Adams"

(Tafseer al-Kabeer, Razi and Tafseer al-Asfa, Kashani)

This could be interpreted to be Neanderthals, Homo Erectus and others

Also, the following ayah is put forth to support the view. How else could the angels have assumed Adam would shed blood had their not been previous human life on Earth, albeit primitive and unintellctual.

"And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not." (2:30)

[Jamroll]

See, the thing is, when we talk about "Creationism", we're pretty much talking about the Christian concept of creationism. Sure, Muslims just like Christians believe in a Higher Power, who Created everything, and our religions share many similarities, but there are some quite fundamental departures of thought on several issues, and one of these could be the details of how everything came about.

For example, the other day I was suprised to find out, during a game we were playing, that Christians do not believe in dinosaurs, because the Bible did not support it. I mean, I was like, huh? How can you deny dinosaurs existed? We have fossils for Gods sake.

[Variable]

Some people are very insulted by the idea that humans evolved from 'lower' forms of life like fish.

[DrDynamite]

Some people are very insulted by the idea that humans evolved from 'lower' forms of life like fish.

Well, people who are still further back down the evolutionary cycle would think like that, wouldn't they?

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by DrDynamite

I agree with Anderson and MossadConspiracy. Well put, lads.

A very quick important point to make:

There is absolutely no contradiction between the theory of Evolution and the belief in God. It is the Atheists who wish to create such a conflict and a dichotomy between Science and Religion, and this is supported by the incredibly inept details put forth by the Bible and the Evangelists.

Allah can 'choose' any appropriate means and mechanism for Creation, and Evolution is a possible one. We ask, what is the origin of Evolution, and who is its operator?

In fact, we see in both Shia and Sunni hadith, the following:

"Before Adam there were a thousand Adams"

(Tafseer al-Kabeer, Razi and Tafseer al-Asfa, Kashani)

This could be interpreted to be Neanderthals, Homo Erectus and others

Also, the following ayah is put forth to support the view. How else could the angels have assumed Adam would shed blood had their not been previous human life on Earth, albeit primitive and unintellctual.

"And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not." (2:30)

i dont know about the theology of it, but in a secular society its not against the rules for schools to teach stuff that contradicts religious teachings. In fact, if thats what science supports then thats what they should teach

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

For example, the other day I was suprised to find out, during a game we were playing, that Christians do not believe in dinosaurs, because the Bible did not support it. I mean, I was like, huh? How can you deny dinosaurs existed? We have fossils for Gods sake.

I don't think that's generally what Christians believe... it's what a few Christians believe.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by Variable

I don't think that's generally what Christians believe... it's what a few Christians believe.

No way man! If my friend, who's not Christian, and knows very little about Christians said that, then it must be true.

[TariqBinSleepin]

Originally Posted by Variable

Some people are very insulted by the idea that humans evolved from 'lower' forms of life like fish.

Its a mixture between Creationism and Evolution. Darwin's theory has tons of gaps, Darwin himself did not completely agree, his argument was that the future science will fill in the gaps of the evolution of man. However, this has yet to proven. Most scientists around the US and the World have labeled his theory to be incorrect.

I personally believe that it was a mixture between Creationism and the Theory of Evolution. Allah (Swt) created evolution, for a purpose. Did you know they have found small pelvical bones which might belong to giant men, over 8foot tall? I'm gonna try to find the article. I think it's that they teach the evolution theory in class, but they should make it clear its simply a theory.

[Revert]

Aren't there 2 schools on Evoloution?

Darwinism is pretty much a laughing stock.

I think Rahat or Khairan had some interestin views to share on it.

I think Science should be taught in Science class.

[MossadConspiracy]

Darwin didnt know anything about DNA or proteins or even mendelian genetics. But his theory was the foundation for modern evolutionary theories

[TariqBinSleepin]

Heres a Interesting Video, by a muslim brother, you might have seen it already, its very short and is in 2 parts. Check it out...


YouTube - Darwinism = Terrorism (part one.)

[MossadConspiracy]

why is that kid wearing a scarf indoors?