[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

authoo bILLAH, this is the same ideology of the khawarij that killed sayidna Ali rA

Your implicit comparison of George W Bush's drooling, base lapdogs to Sayyedina Ali (RA) speaks volumes about where you're coming from on this topic.

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

ignorance

It's ignorance to say that the Arabian peninsula is for Muslims, and that Allah SWT has admonished us against taking Jews & Christians as military allies?! Subhanallah..

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

fiqgh issue, suicide is a fiqh issue? then drinking alcohol would be a fiqh issue, gambling a fiqh issue??????????? they are all haraam

Killing yourself in battle to harm the enemy is a fiqh issue. I didn't say I agreed with Hamas' viewpoint, because I don't; I just said that other scholars have.

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

you can wait from now until the day of judgement, because you are only here to argue whatever i post your reply will be along the lines of "pizza delivery is a biddah then", you are not here to get to the truth, you are here to argue, blindly, for your accustomed innovations. The reply has already been posted.

You can sit there and waste time trying to trivialize the example of pizza without even attempting to dissociate its superficial layer and dissect the underlying logic, but you can't give me an answer the khutba question.. because you simply don't have one.

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

And i think im done with you because it is clear to me know after this post that you are ignorant, a follower of ideologies in blindness, you showed your level of understanding when you called hamas salafis,

So now my level of understanding of Islam is predicated on my level of understanding of Hamas? Interesting logic.

Anyway, I'm not sure whether you know who Abdul Aziz Rantisi was. He was the leader of Hamas after the death of Sheikh Yassin, until by the grace of Allah, he achieved martyrdom himself. In IslamOnline's interview with him, he specifically and explicitly stated that Hamas was a Salafi movement.

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

you have called the leaders of saudi arabia munfaiqs, and essentially the leaders of other countries muslims, which you might even believe, like the other khwarij and the dogs of hell that the rulers of muslim countries are kuffar.

This sentence is completely incoherent. But I can derive that you're one of the Saudi lapdog Salafis. The worst kind. Your heroes are the cowardly, alcoholic lapdogs of Zionist kaffirs.

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

may Allah swt guide you.

Certain you don't need the same, eh? May Allah SWT guide us ..

[ShamilB]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Anyway, I'm not sure whether you know who Abdul Aziz Rantisi was. He was the leader of Hamas after the death of Sheikh Yassin, until by the grace of Allah, he achieved martyrdom himself. In IslamOnline's interview with him, he specifically and explicitly stated that Hamas was a Salafi movement.

Hamas is Salafi? What next..George Bush is Salafi? You have to distinguish between the true followers of the Salaf (such as Sh. Uthaymeen, Albany, etc) and groups like the SPUBS/TROID and the Saudi government which have caused a lot of fitnah in the muslim world. It's the same as including the likes of fitnah mongerers Haqqani and Kabbani when talking about Sufis. I don't think any true "Salafi" would defend the Saudi government for its many crimes against muslims, but seriously who amongst the 50+ muslim countries in the world is a true representative of Islam? What has Musharraf done besides being a staunch ally of the U.S. in its war on Islam? The instant you made a connection between the Saudi government and the Salafis at large is when you lost your credibility as a poster.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by ShamilB

Hamas is Salafi? What next..George Bush is Salafi?

Hamas being Salafi is nothing to be ashamed of for Salafis, imo. Go see the Tasawwuf thread and read over it so you can follow the discussion taking place here properly.

Originally Posted by ShamilB

I don't think any true "Salafi" would defend the Saudi government for its many crimes against muslims,

Your buddy AbuAlAbbas just did.

Originally Posted by ShamilB

but seriously who amongst the 50+ muslim countries in the world is a true representative of Islam? What has Musharraf done besides being a staunch ally of the U.S. in its war on Islam?

You're right, there isn't really anyone. Musharraf is a scumbag.

Originally Posted by ShamilB

The instant you made a connection between the Saudi government and the Salafis at large is when you lost your credibility as a poster.

I didn't make an instant connection between Saudis and Salafis. You haven't followed the discussion properly; it started in the Tasawwuf thread and I moved it back here.