Shia: stone used in Salah

AceOfHearts · #1 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 06:38 PM

I left the God-like glorification and praise of the Prophet Muhammad in my Salah in favour of glorifying Allah alone in my Salah. As I came from a Sunni family, glorifying the Prophet up to 20 times a day in Salah was not uncommon. Remembering Allah alone was impossible without remembering a created being, every Salah a good portion was devoted to the Prophet Muhammad.

Now I find Shia's who have made stones intercessors with Allah. Is there any limit to how much idolatry people can commit on earth?

What part of the heavens and the earth did this stone create that you make it a requirement to prostrate on it?

Why will none of you people glorify Allah alone, the most majestic...who sustains you and given you so much?

psychoteddybear · #2 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 06:42 PM

Yeah I kinda always wondered about that...when I first started praying, I went to a Shi'a mosque..not knowing what it was about...and these women put these stones in front of me...I kinda pushed it to the side and one of them was like uh no you need that in front of you to pray! and I was like uh wutever...but not to piss them off, I did...then tailgated it out of there. This was in Canada btw...

Anyways, I guess I've heard that these stones are from some holy place...Karbala maybe..where the Prophet's grandson Hussein was killed and supposedly his blood was staining the earth and these are why these rocks are holy ...cuz they come from this area...uh...correct me if you like...but I hear a lot of crap that's supposed to be Islamic anyways...

wa salam

Revert · #3 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 06:47 PM

Before you psot please ensur eyou now what you are talking about.

The stone is made from a natural material as they believe they should pray Salat on a natural Material not unlike the Maaliki Madhaab who also beleive in resting your head on a natural material in soojood.

psychoteddybear · #4 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Revert

Before you psot please ensur eyou now what you are talking about.

The stone is made from a natural material as they believe they should pray Salat on a natural Material not unlike the Maaliki Madhaab who also beleive in resting your head on a natural material in soojood.

That's why I wrote please correct me...cuz I hear a lot of crap about what's supposed to be Islamic and what's not...

and what is unnatural about praying on a carpet? If that's the case, why don't they have carpets made from natural fibers?

AceOfHearts · #5 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Revert

Before you psot please ensur eyou now what you are talking about.

The stone is made from a natural material as they believe they should pray Salat on a natural Material not unlike the Maaliki Madhaab who also beleive in resting your head on a natural material in soojood.

Peace,

Whatever its beneath you is natural enough. They want to have intercessors and idols between their worship of Allah, but they are not aware of it.

Revert · #6 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoteddybear

That's why I wrote please correct me...cuz I hear a lot of crap about what's supposed to be Islamic and what's not...

and what is unnatural about praying on a carpet? If that's the case, why don't they have carpets made from natural fibers?

Most carpets are made of natural materials, however some choose to be more literal in thier interpretations, which is why in Morocco you will find most Masjids have Bamboo carpets.

Open the Quran thats the main guide on whats Islamic, after that do what you doo inshaAllaah.

Revert · #7 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

Peace,

Whatever its beneath you is natural enough. They want to have intercessors and idols between their worship of Allah, but they are not aware of it.

NOt really, if a carpet is manmad like polyester or whatever then its not the same to some people.

You want it to be an intercessor as this justifies you in what you do in your own mind.

AceOfHearts · #8 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Revert

NOt really, if a carpet is manmad like polyester or whatever then its not the same to some people.

You want it to be an intercessor as this justifies you in what you do in your own mind.

Which is to worship Allah alone.

Allah does NOT NEED a stone for his servents to connect to Him. He is the Most-Great.

"And say: 'Praise be to Allah who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.' And glorify Him greatly." (17:111)

You must seek Allah directly, He does NOT NEED ANYTHING for his servents to communicate with him.

Indeed, they are just like the Christians I know who call upon God through the Prophet Jesus, they do not it through stones.

Kadhim · #9 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

I left the God-like glorification and praise of the Prophet Muhammad in my Salah in favour of glorifying Allah alone in my Salah. As I came from a Sunni family, glorifying the Prophet up to 20 times a day in Salah was not uncommon. Remembering Allah alone was impossible without remembering a created being, every Salah a good portion was devoted to the Prophet Muhammad.

Now I find Shia's who have made stones intercessors with Allah. Is there any limit to how much idolatry people can commit on earth?

What part of the heavens and the earth did this stone create that you make it a requirement to prostrate on it?

Why will none of you people glorify Allah alone, the most majestic...who sustains you and given you so much?

You ****ing imbecile.
Do you worship the masjid carpet when you do sajdah?
Better rip it up then.
Oh, wait, but then you're "worshipping" the concrete floor. Better get a jackhammer so you get down to the dirt.
There's a very significant reason why the Shia and the Malikis prostrate only on natural materials, ideally earth.
It comes down to what the two sajdah symbolize. Do you know what the two sajdah symbolize, why there are two sajdah? Or did they not teach you that in Qu'ran only land?

Revert · #10 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

Which is to worship Allah alone.

Allah does NOT NEED a stone for his servents to connect to Him. He is the Most-Great.

"And say: 'Praise be to Allah who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.' And glorify Him greatly." (17:111)

You must seek Allah directly, He does NOT NEED ANYTHING for his servents to communicate with him.

Indeed, they are just like the Christians I know who call upon God through the Prophet Jesus, they do not it through stones.

Bro you don't get it. SOme people prefer to pray on Natural materials is all. YOU are so bent on calling everyone out that you fail to try and understand your fellow Muslims.

Aryan_ · #11 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 07:13 PM

Doesn't have to be stone. Paper can be used too.

Aceofhearts, do you pray towards mecca? A lot of people consider that to be idolatry.

ShamilB · #12 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

I left the God-like glorification and praise of the Prophet Muhammad in my Salah in favour of glorifying Allah alone in my Salah. As I came from a Sunni family, glorifying the Prophet up to 20 times a day in Salah was not uncommon. Remembering Allah alone was impossible without remembering a created being, every Salah a good portion was devoted to the Prophet Muhammad.

Now I find Shia's who have made stones intercessors with Allah. Is there any limit to how much idolatry people can commit on earth?

What part of the heavens and the earth did this stone create that you make it a requirement to prostrate on it?

Why will none of you people glorify Allah alone, the most majestic...who sustains you and given you so much?

Why don't you tell us how YOU pray? Since you reject the hadith, you can do one of the following things:
1 - Follow the Sunnis
2 - Follow the Shias
3 - Make up your own Salah

AceOfHearts · #13 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Aryan_

Doesn't have to be stone. Paper can be used too.

Aceofhearts, do you pray towards mecca? A lot of people consider that to be idolatry.

Yes I do pray in that direction. That is a direction of prayer thay as believers we all take. The Kaba it self is a Masjid (place of prostration) wherein one prostrates without anything in front of him.

The Kaba can become an idol when people start holding it and crying thinking it has divine powers, associating the building with the might of Allah.

Revert · #14 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

Yes I do pray in that direction. That is a direction of prayer thay as believers we all take. The Kaba it self is a Masjid (place of prostration) wherein one prostrates without anything in front of him.

The Kaba can become an idol when people start holding it and crying thinking it has divine powers, associating the building with the might of Allah.

SO whats the difference between that and resting your head on a natural material during Salaat?

Aryan_ · #15 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

Yes I do pray in that direction. That is a direction of prayer thay as believers we all take. The Kaba it self is a Masjid (place of prostration) wherein one prostrates without anything in front of him.

The Kaba can become an idol when people start holding it and crying thinking it has divine powers, associating the building with the might of Allah.

You pray towards Mecca - not idolatry
Shia prays on stonee - idolatry

What's the difference?

Shias don't think stones they pray on have divine powers or are idols, it's just something we are instructed to do, like prayer itself. You really need to think your arguments through before you come up with pissy theories to attack others with.