[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by rahat

How can you worship Allah without knowledge of the Prophet? Are you completely stupid?

It was the Prophet that taught us about Allah. Literally every word, every idea, every punctuation mark in the Quran, came from the Prophet.

There is no road to Allah (SWT) except through the Prophet. Only a Jahil would say otherwise.

Wow...Rahat is arguing in favour of the Sunnah....

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

There is nothing wrong with wanting to prostrate on natural surfaces. I personally prefer it, though I don't use a turbah. As has already been pointed out, Malikis do this as well.

Yup, there's nothing wrong with that, and no one's objecting to it either.

My objection starts with the fact that they insist on using a pack of dirt specifically from Karbala ... why is so much importance being given to the dirt from that site? Its approaching shirk, because you are revering the dirt because its from a certain location, you're revering it so much that you won't pray without it - and that's not how Muslims were told to pray. We were simply told that any place in the entire Earth, as long as its clean, is good for prayer.

Why do people make things complicated?

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Yup, there's nothing wrong with that, and no one's objecting to it either.

My objection starts with the fact that they insist on using a pack of dirt specifically from Karbala ... why is so much importance being given to the dirt from that site? Its approaching shirk, because you are revering the dirt because its from a certain location, you're revering it so much that you won't pray without it - and that's not how Muslims were told to pray. We were simply told that any place in the entire Earth, as long as its clean, is good for prayer.

Why do people make things complicated?

I think that's a bit silly, but I don't think it approaches shirk. They're not worshipping the turba itself. I would guess they just believe there is barakah in the sand of Kerbala because Hazrat Hussain (AS) was martyred there.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

but I don't think it approaches shirk.

keyword being "approaches"

.... they just believe there is barakah in the sand of Kerbala because Hazrat Hussain (AS) was martyred there.

....

I rest my case.

[MossadConspiracy]

whats the big deal, pray on a rock, pray on a rug, pray on the floor, pray on grass..

i went to a shia school for a while and i scratched my initials in one of those rocks and used to mess around with the other kids using them. It didnt seem like such a big thing for them, they didnt consider the rocks to be holy or anything like that. the portraits of the saints and ayatollahs were venerated much more

[Kadhim]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

I rest my case.

Yes, how silly to think that there could be barakah in something.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by rahat

How can you worship Allah without knowledge of the Prophet? Are you completely stupid?

It was the Prophet that taught us about Allah. Literally every word, every idea, every punctuation mark in the Quran, came from the Prophet.

There is no road to Allah (SWT) except through the Prophet. Only a Jahil would say otherwise.

This is the best post you've ever made on Islamica.

[Timbit]

What does that mean, the words in the Qur'an are from the Prophet?

[farah]

Originally Posted by Timbit

What does that mean, the words in the Qur'an are from the Prophet?

probably best to hear it from rahat himself, but i think he meant that while the Quran is Allah SWT's message for us, the words from the Quran were brought to us by the Prophet (saw). that's how i took it, anyway.

[Khairan]

Originally Posted by Timbit

What does that mean, the words in the Qur'an are from the Prophet?

The Qur'an is a part -- a major part -- of God's risaalah to His creation. Muhammad ibn Abdullah was the chosen rasool. There has been nothing of Islam conveyed to us in any manner that didn't come either directly from the Prophet's mouth or through his actions.

[the_only_one]

Originally Posted by Khairan

The Qur'an is a part -- a major part -- of God's risaalah to His creation. Muhammad ibn Abdullah was the chosen rasool. There has been nothing of Islam conveyed to us in any manner that didn't come either directly from the Prophet's mouth or through his actions.

I am waiting for ur response Br. Khairan,(I went through the WHOLE THREAD whats your opinion? I also heard a diff variation aka it is used for direction of the Qibla? if it is used for sajjood on a natural material, then you aren't actually prostration on top of it, you would if you'd carry a block of a cement/brick..but then again it would be too heavy n inconvienent to carry everywhere? enlighten me plz.

[Khairan]

Originally Posted by the_only_one

I am waiting for ur response Br. Khairan,(I went through the WHOLE THREAD whats your opinion? I also heard a diff variation aka it is used for direction of the Qibla? if it is used for sajjood on a natural material, then you aren't actually prostration on top of it, you would if you'd carry a block of a cement/brick..but then again it would be too heavy n inconvienent to carry everywhere? enlighten me plz.

Dunno, I never used the stone. My community requires that one's head be covered during prayer and that you use a prayer rug (even if you are in a clean place such as a masjid or your own house), but there is no requirement for a "natural" object on which to place one's head during sujood.

[the_only_one]

Originally Posted by Khairan

Dunno, I never used the stone. My community requires that one's head be covered during prayer and that you use a prayer rug (even if you are in a clean place such as a masjid or your own house), but there is no requirement for a "natural" object on which to place one's head during sujood.

shukriya, I guess, covering the head is sunnah, and something orthodox hanafis follow too strictly, once my uncle came down to our area, he saw the Imam learing the salah with no kuffi or turban he was so outraged and went on and on about 3 hours on the importance of following the sunnah..etc..he is like that n he is super-unique, gotta love him

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Khairan

Dunno, I never used the stone. My community requires that one's head be covered during prayer and that you use a prayer rug (even if you are in a clean place such as a masjid or your own house), but there is no requirement for a "natural" object on which to place one's head during sujood.

DO you pray in a Shia Masjid? If so are they welcoming of Non Shia? As i'd love to come and see your masjid and pray with you guys!

Thanks for the clarification though bro as I was waiting for your opinion..i need to get on AIM and chat it up with you sometime Broseph!