[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by ShamilB

Why don't you tell us how YOU pray? Since you reject the hadith, you can do one of the following things:
1 - Follow the Sunnis
2 - Follow the Shias
3 - Make up your own Salah

Sunni / Shia Salah is valid, so long as nothing of idolatry is introduced in it. You have to use the Qur'an as a criterion to judge this.

The Masjid Al-Haram is the place where Salah is demonstrated:
Allah says:

And when We made the House (at Makka) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We imposed a duty upon Abraham and Ishmael, (saying): Purify My house for those who go around and those who meditate therein and those who bow down and prostrate themselves (in worship). [Qur'an 2:125]

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by Kadhim

You ****ing imbecile.

Your whole rant got lost in that one sentence donchaknow

[sixpakistan]

AHAHAHA

this is the funniest thread ever

aceofhearts, why do you insist on embarrassing yourself by publicly displaying your inability to reason?

[rahat]

How can you worship Allah without knowledge of the Prophet? Are you completely stupid?

It was the Prophet that taught us about Allah. Literally every word, every idea, every punctuation mark in the Quran, came from the Prophet.

There is no road to Allah (SWT) except through the Prophet. Only a Jahil would say otherwise.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Kadhim

You ****ing imbecile.
Do you worship the masjid carpet when you do sajdah?
Better rip it up then.
Oh, wait, but then you're "worshipping" the concrete floor. Better get a jackhammer so you get down to the dirt.
There's a very significant reason why the Shia and the Malikis prostrate only on natural materials, ideally earth.
It comes down to what the two sajdah symbolize. Do you know what the two sajdah symbolize, why there are two sajdah? Or did they not teach you that in Qu'ran only land?

It reminds me of the Pagans of Mecca who circled the Kaba being naked, more natural, huh?

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

Doesn't have to be stone. Paper can be used too.

Aceofhearts, do you pray towards mecca? A lot of people consider that to be idolatry.

You should learn the meaning of 'Idol' first before coming up with stupid lies, Mecca can never be an 'Idol' in any sense; it's a building by the way, not a statue.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Revert

Before you psot please ensur eyou now what you are talking about.

The stone is made from a natural material as they believe they should pray Salat on a natural Material not unlike the Maaliki Madhaab who also beleive in resting your head on a natural material in soojood.

Why 'the natural material' for forehead only, why not for the palms, knees and toes too? There should be a hole on the knees too, and 4 more pieces of stone should be under knees and toes to make it 'more natural'.

[proudtobemuslim]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Why 'the natural material' for forehead only, why not for the palms, knees and toes too? There should be a hole on the knees too, and 4 more pieces of stone should be under knees and toes to make it 'more natural'.

What a silly thing to say ?! Why is the ablutions only done with the face, arms, head and feet? Why not the knees and the abdomen? Do you worship the face, arms, head and feet ?

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by proudtobemuslim

What a silly thing to say ?! Why is the ablutions only done with the face, arms, head and feet? Why not the knees and the abdomen? Do you worship the face, arms, head and feet ?

Do we say washing the knees in ablution is 'natural'? But if you like you can do masah of knees while you do that on feet, to make it more 'natural'.

[rahat]

Your own sahih bukhari indicates the Prophets sunnah for putting his forehead on natural surfaces.

Do not insult the Sunnah of the Prophet.

[sally]

I'm wondering what the Quran-only people make of these Quranic verses

We sent not a prophet, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah.
-Surah Nisa, 64

So therefore believe in Allah and His messenger.
-Surah Al-Araf - 158

We have revealed this remembrance that you may make clear to people what has been revealed to them.
-Surah An-Nahl, 44

Whoever obeys the Prophet has indeed obeyed Allah

Nay by your Lord, they do not believe until they make you (Muhammad) to be a judge amongst them. Then after you have judged they don’t find any constraint or difficulty by your judgment. And they submit totally to your decision.
-Surah Nisa, 65

Say, if you truly love Allah, follow me, Allah will love you.
-Surah Al Imran

Oh you believe! Do not raise your voice above the Prophet’s voice
-Surah Hujraa, 2

(voice = opinion?)

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by rahat

Your own sahih bukhari indicates the Prophets sunnah for putting his forehead on natural surfaces.

Do not insult the Sunnah of the Prophet.

Where?

The only time I've seen Shia's use any of the ahaadith to support their use of the turbah is the one where it stated that the Prophet was praying in teh masjid during a rainstorm, and when he got up from sujood, there was some wet dirt on his forehead - and that's blatantly obvious because at the time the floor was made of simple, packed dirt.

Later on they added wooden planks and other coverings, as well as making the roof more tighter so that water wouldn't seep through.

[sixpakistan]

There is nothing wrong with wanting to prostrate on natural surfaces. I personally prefer it, though I don't use a turbah. As has already been pointed out, Malikis do this as well.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by rahat

Your own sahih bukhari indicates the Prophets sunnah for putting his forehead on natural surfaces.

Do not insult the Sunnah of the Prophet.

I don't think its in Bukhari

Theres someithing in Al Mu'jam al Awsat by Tabarani to support this notion of doing soojood on a natural surface.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Why 'the natural material' for forehead only, why not for the palms, knees and toes too? There should be a hole on the knees too, and 4 more pieces of stone should be under knees and toes to make it 'more natural'.

Well a bamboo mat or rug would do this? no?

Stop being so facetious