[Xanthippe]

Then you'd need some sort of revelation telling you that you could build a new sanctuary, and seeing that there won't be any new prophet coming, that's a bit difficult to get.

I think it would be more practical to pray facing the earth.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Xanthippe

Then you'd need some sort of revelation telling you that you could build a new sanctuary, and seeing that there won't be any new prophet coming, that's a bit difficult to get.

I think it would be more practical to pray facing the earth.

then we would have a moving Kibla.

[Xanthippe]

beats a phony kab'ah.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by Xanthippe

Then you'd need some sort of revelation telling you that you could build a new sanctuary, and seeing that there won't be any new prophet coming, that's a bit difficult to get.

I think it would be more practical to pray facing the earth.

But how can you pray facing Earth if you're on another planet?

The Kaaba is the qibla for Muslims on Earth, but what about on other planets? If another house had to be built, and since we have no more Prophets, then couldn't it be done by a Khilafah? Or would the mode of salah itself have to be different on other planets?

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

But how can you pray facing Earth if you're on another planet?

The Kaaba is the qibla for Muslims on Earth, but what about on other planets? If another house had to be built, and since we have no more Prophets, then couldn't it be done by a Khilafah? Or would the mode of salah itself have to be different on other planets?

then you take a best guess...why do people make things so complicated...now if you were in hyperspace where you pray then ?!

[IbnMardhiyah]

like, omg, what if you're in the 1236th dimension?! which way then?

:: brain aneurysm results from mental activity overload ::

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

like, omg, what if you're in the 1236th dimension?! which way then?

:: brain aneurysm results from mental activity overload ::

in the 1236th dimension there would be loads of kabah's....then which kabah is the best kabah...because i'm pretty sure my kabah is better than your kabah..

[Warmheart4u2007]

Originally Posted by shsh

its good to laugh. when you are in a spaceship...dont forget to laugh =P

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

Can you even perform Salah at all, when you're travelling like that?

If you were to take up permenant residence on another planet, or moon, wouldn't it make more sense to just establish a new Qibla there?

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Frivolous questions like these are what have destroyed previous nations. Really, the questioner should ask him or herself why such pointless questions are being asked.

There are two spaces on Earth where you can pray in any direction, in a full 360 degree arc, and you would still be facing the qiblah.

Same applies to space, you make a reasonable attempt to face the qiblah, and then you pray, and generally that would be towards Earth. Allah ta3ala is not so petty as to demand that you precisely face the Ka'abaa even in such particular conditions whereby you are not on the Earth's surface.

There is no artificial gravity in space yet, with the exception of magnetically assisted boots.

Originally Posted by Kona_Silat

For once I agree with you.

Originally Posted by riad19

u pray towards Pluto

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

That might not work so well in deep space, or on the manned mission to mars that they're planning on.

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

I was referring to the event of the person being on board a space station or a spaceship, in either case just pray towards Earth.

As for being on another planet, that situation involves qiyaas and ijmaa' and when the time comes I'm sure we'll have it.

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

It would be pretty cool to be an astronaut, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Aryan_

In the film pitch black all the moozlums (well darkies) pray towards new mecca. I hope this helps.

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

I saw that movie.

A new Mecca for a new planet seems to make sense. I sort've hinted at the idea in my first post.

Originally Posted by Xanthippe

You can't exactly create a new mecca out of thin air. It requires a rock from jannah, and prophets to place it somewhere,

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

You mean you can't just construct a sacred house on another planet, and use it as a direction of prayer there?

Oh, and welcome to Islamica

Originally Posted by Xanthippe

That too, but still, for a kab'ah, you'd need the rock

My nick is new, but I'm not. Sort've forgot my old password, and realised it was easier to register with a new one. My former nick was FreezingNomad.

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

Yeah. But, for a sanctuary of worship, is the rock necessary? I mean, Muslims in the beginning were facing Jerusalem in prayer, so in theory, constructing a sanctuary for worship for another planet (even if it's not exactly like the Ka'bah) would still be possible, wouldn't it?



Oh ok.

Originally Posted by Xanthippe

Then you'd need some sort of revelation telling you that you could build a new sanctuary, and seeing that there won't be any new prophet coming, that's a bit difficult to get.

I think it would be more practical to pray facing the earth.

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

then we would have a moving Kibla.

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

But how can you pray facing Earth if you're on another planet?

The Kaaba is the qibla for Muslims on Earth, but what about on other planets? If another house had to be built, and since we have no more Prophets, then couldn't it be done by a Khilafah? Or would the mode of salah itself have to be different on other planets?

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

then you take a best guess...why do people make things so complicated...now if you were in hyperspace where you pray then ?!

shsh! You are most welcome to my spaceship

Let me tell you something about artificial gravity first. Its concept is very simple I would show you an example:-
Take a pot a jug may be. Put some water in it and move it in circular motion on horizontal plane. The water would move in a circular motion and you would notice that it would raise against the sides of the pot and if you move the pot with enough force the water would completely move from to bottom of the pot and would make a layer along its circular sides. You can use small pebbles instead of water with the same effect.
In the same way and using the same principle spaceships can be built wher the outer shell would rotate while the inner shell would be at relative rest. The movement of the outershell would creat forces the effect of which would be much like the gravity.

The question was posed to me by an athiest in a discussion (which still continues)where by that supposition he made dangerous attack on Islam. But I gave him a logical and simple answer which was in confirmity with Quran.

Full marks to Kaminyu as he mentioned mars. My original intention was to start the discussion from spaceship then move to moon , mars and then the whole universe. But the establishment of a new qibla is against the Quran. You can not make another Kaaba as there is no provision in Quran for this so no new qibla.


I have just set up a trap in the above post so that nobody can guess the solution

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Warmheart4u2007

I have just set up a trap in the above post so that nobody can guess the solution

Have you seen the Princess Bride ? No...well I've set a trap for you...ah ha !

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

then you take a best guess...why do people make things so complicated...now if you were in hyperspace where you pray then ?!

Would it even matter much at that point, as long as it is to God? I mean, that's really the main point of salah, isn't it? Remembrence and worship of God?

The qibla is a unifying point for Muslims to face when praying. On another planet, even if you wanted to direct it back to Earth, you would still need to have a unifying point on that planet, directed back to Earth, to which everyone would face when praying. Determining this point would of course require qiyaas and ijmaa', as IbnMardhiyah correctly pointed out.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

Would it even matter much at that point, as long as it is to God? I mean, that's really the main point of salah, isn't it? Remembrence and worship of God?

The qibla is a unifying point for Muslims to face when praying. On another planet, even if you wanted to direct it back to Earth, you would still need to have a unifying point on that planet, directed back to Earth, to which everyone would face when praying. Determining this point would of course require qiyaas and ijmaa', as IbnMardhiyah correctly pointed out.

Thats exactly my point.

If we don't know then its better to pray than not pray.

Jazakalla thanks for understanding

[Warmheart4u2007]

Originally Posted by Kaminyu

Would it even matter much at that point, as long as it is to God? I mean, that's really the main point of salah, isn't it? Remembrence and worship of God?

The qibla is a unifying point for Muslims to face when praying. On another planet, even if you wanted to direct it back to Earth, you would still need to have a unifying point on that planet, directed back to Earth, to which everyone would face when praying. Determining this point would of course require qiyaas and ijmaa', as IbnMardhiyah correctly pointed out.

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

Thats exactly my point.

If we don't know then its better to pray than not pray.

Jazakalla thanks for understanding

In my humble opinion Qiyas and Ijma can not over rule the "Holy Quran". So no way in shariya for another qibla on another planet

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Warmheart4u2007

In my humble opinion Qiyas and Ijma can not over rule the "Holy Quran". So no way in shariya for another qibla on another planet

Errm I didn't say that. I said you then take a best guess.

[ChotooMotoo]

Of course, you're all assuming here that eventually Humans will go to another planet, and that those humans would be Muslims.