[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Revert

The evidence can be found in the volumes of text that the man wrote. However I am aware that Anti-Sufi crew claim otherwise.

Its also wise to note what one would class as Sufism.

you have to understand wahabis dont like sufis, your insulting them by making such claims.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

you have to understand wahabis dont like sufis, your insulting them by making such claims.

Certain "Salafis" don't like "Sufis". However realistically Ibn Tayymiyyah criticised certain aspects of "Sufi" practices whilst recogniseing a need of Tasawwuf within the confides of the Shari'a.

Stop being retarded by using Wahhabi, its not a real word and you are bastardizing the word Al-Wahhab (The Bestower) one of the glorious names of Allah.

[ShamilB]

Originally Posted by Revert

The evidence can be found in the volumes of text that the man wrote. However I am aware that Anti-Sufi crew claim otherwise.

Its also wise to note what one would class as Sufism.

I know he has praised some sufis and I know he has also criticized certain aspects of sufism. Don't think it makes him a sufi but to each his own I guess.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by ShamilB

I know he has praised some sufis and I know he has also criticized certain aspects of sufism. Don't think it makes him a sufi but to each his own I guess.

Depends on what you consider a Sufi, many understand the word to mean A Muslim who has risen to the rank of Shaykh of Tasawwuf or a scholar of the same subject. The reason Ibn Taymiyyah may ahve worn the Qadiri cloak is that he was considered a Shaykh.

HOwever many understand a Sufi as one who worships saints and dances and such, obviously this is mis-information.

[ShamilB]

Originally Posted by Revert

Certain "Salafis" don't like "Sufis". However realistically Ibn Tayymiyyah criticised certain aspects of "Sufi" practices whilst recogniseing a need of Tasawwuf within the confides of the Shari'a.

Stop being retarded by using Wahhabi, its not a real word and you are bastardizing the word Al-Wahhab (The Bestower) one of the glorious names of Allah.

There is no way to reason with him. He just doesn't get it. I feel bad for his future wife.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Revert

Depends on what you consider a Sufi, many understand the word to mean A Muslim who has risen to the rank of Shaykh of Tasawwuf or a scholar of the same subject. The reason Ibn Taymiyyah may ahve worn the Qadiri cloak is that he was considered a Shaykh.

HOwever many understand a Sufi as one who worships saints and dances and such, obviously this is mis-information.

he means naqshabandiya.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

he means naqshabandiya.

you seriously need to stop listening to this Duke character. hating on ulema is not going to make you popular with muslimah's

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

you seriously need to stop listening to this Duke character. hating on ulema is not going to make you popular with muslimah's

ulema?? hey go back and read the first post. you will see that there are plenty of mullah's who are opposed to wahabis. but i forgot only wahabis are your 'ulema'.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

ulema?? hey go back and read the first post. you will see that there are plenty of mullah's who are opposed to wahabis. but i forgot only wahabis are your 'ulema'.

And you follow which alim ?

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

And you follow which alim ?

that's difference between me and you wahabis. i dont need any sect to follow. while its true that there are some aspects of wahabism i do agree with, such as removing cultural nonsense, and desis with thier caste based class based society, always obssesed over class and money, clinging on to old ignorant cultural ideas, most of which, believe it or not, hails from victorian england, do need to rid themselves of. but overall there's a lot of it i dont agree with. i attend a tablighi jamaat masjid, but i am not a member of tablighi jamaat. i dont need to follow anyone, i dont need someone else to interprete Islam for me. i have my views, i have my ideas, i have my beliefs. they just happen to be more open minded than most people. does that mean im calling for women to lead men in prayer? no, its nothing insane or radical, just a belief that God's mercy and love for man shines down on us. and that core message of islam, peace, mercy, charity, sympathy,and how man treats other men, are the core essense. before you can teach morality to people, first you have to teach man these qualities, because man in the end is inheritaly evil. if he is not taught these things, how can you then teach him anything else? like no liqour, or memorizing quran.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

he means naqshabandiya.

Erm the Naqshbaniyyah are one of many Sufi tariqas.. SO that makes no sense to me bro.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

that's difference between me and you wahabis. i dont need any sect to follow. while its true that there are some aspects of wahabism i do agree with, such as removing cultural nonsense, and desis with thier caste based class based society, always obssesed over class and money, clinging on to old ignorant cultural ideas, most of which, believe it or not, hails from victorian england, do need to rid themselves of. but overall there's a lot of it i dont agree with. i attend a tablighi jamaat masjid, but i am not a member of tablighi jamaat. i dont need to follow anyone, i dont need someone else to interprete Islam for me. i have my views, i have my ideas, i have my beliefs. they just happen to be more open minded than most people. does that mean im calling for women to lead men in prayer? no, its nothing insane or radical, just a belief that God's mercy and love for man shines down on us. and that core message of islam, peace, mercy, charity, sympathy,and how man treats other men, are the core essense. before you can teach morality to people, first you have to teach man these qualities, because man in the end is inheritaly evil. if he is not taught these things, how can you then teach him anything else? like no liqour, or memorizing quran.

So who taught you? I mean everyone needs to be taught the basics of any subject. I aggre with you in a way as I don't thinmk one should limit themselves to one teacher when it comes to Islam.

However I don't think its a good idea to take it upon yourself to be your own teacher, that can cause problems especially if you only have a passing familiarity with the Arabic Language.