[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

but at what price? im very shocked by your answer, i would figure you of all people would agree with this article, after all i pulled it out of the washington post.

theres nothing to agree or disagree with, its an article describing stuff that is happening in Kurdistan, its not an opinion piece

survival comes first, if there are kurds who dont have food to eat and somebody feeds them then thats a good thing. Ideology is less important than basic needs

[GOTFIVEONIT]

and while the previous mujahadeen govt was complaining about pakistani military intereference in its internal affairs, and having excellent relations with india, the taliban were the pakistan military's biggest ally.

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OH NOES ITS T3H W4h481zzzzzzzzz

[Anderson]

Wahabis are only dangerous when they kill people. Any group is dangerous when they kill people.

[Shahnawaz]

lol, wahabis. You lot are sound like shias. Wahabi this wahabi that.

Yes I Am Wahabi.


By Shaykh Abū Basīr At-Tartūsī, from at-Tibyan Publications


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Despite my resistance to new labels which separate Muslims and do not unite them… I must announce openly and clearly – without any biasness or partisanship: That I am a Wahhabist, amongst those who love Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abdil-Wahhāb (may Allāh have mercy upon him) and his Da’wah.

If Wahhabism means Da’wah (Calling) to Tawhīd (Pure Monotheism)… and to the correct ‘Aqīdah (creed)… and abandoning shirk and Barā’ah (disassociating) from it and its people… as the Da’wah of the Shaykh was… Then, yes! I am a Wahhabist!

If Wahhabism means Da’wah to the Qur’ān and Sunnah… and holding on to the foundations, guidance, and understanding of As-Salaf As-Sālih (the Pious Predecessors)… and forsaking biasness towards a Math’hab… as the Da’wah of the Shaykh was… Then, yes! I am a Wahhabist!

If Wahhabism means waging Jihād (Holy War) against the oppressive Tawāghīt (false governments which have claimed to be gods)… and to wage Jihād against shirk and the pagans… as the Da’wah of the Shaykh was… Then, yes! I am a Wahhabist!

If Wahhabism means the middle-path… not leaning towards extremism nor deficiency… … as the Da’wah of the Shaykh was… Then, yes! I am a Wahhabist!

Indeed I have pondered over the situation of those who attack the Shaykh and his Da’wah, and I found them to be:

a) a) Either a kāfir (infidel, disbeliever)

b) b) Or a Shī’ī, Rāfidhī

c) c) Or an extremist Sūfī

d) d) Or a deviant heretic

e) e) Or a jāhil (ignorant) who repeats what he hears without knowing anything regarding the Shaykh and his Da’wah.

And this is an evil wretchedness… destroyed is the one who is satisfied of standing there (against the Da’wah of Tawhīd), or being from the numbers of those people… or even merely increases their numbers by anything whatsoever!

Why are they attacking the Shaykh… and indeed how many are these attackers in this era… We have been hearing for a while now from these types of people which were just mentioned… slandering, sensationalizing, and reviling the Shaykh and his Da’wah… till such a point, that the terms, “Wahhabist” and “Wahhabism” have become curse words and insults in the usage of many people! Without them even bringing a single, small, authentic, evidence which would justify all those oppressions, revilement, and curses… and hatred!?

Here are the sayings of the Shaykh, and his writings in between our hands in front of us… easy to reach for whosoever wants it… all of it speaks the truth, and calls to the truth, and commands the truth… Bring us one mistake which contradicts the Qur’ān or Sunnah which is directly from the Shaykh and his Da’wah- which would justify all your hatred, abuse, and sensationalism … If you are indeed truthful!

But if you cannot find anything - and you can never find anything – Then we will know that the reason for which you abused the Shaykh and his Da’wah, was due to what he was upon of the truth which did not please you nor did it please your Tawāghīt and your Shayātīn!

And if it is said: “Look at the oppression and mistakes of those who ascribe themselves to the Shaykh and his Da’wah these days!”

I say: The Shaykh and his Da’wah are not hurt if there are those in this era – according to their claim of being ascribed to the Shaykh and his Da’wah – who give a bad name to the Shaykh and his Da’wah… for they are only sinning against their ownselves, not against others. It is not permissible for a man to be held accountable and responsible for the crimes of others… and if that was permissible… then who in the world today would be safe from being taken to account and punished?!

[ShamilB]

Originally Posted by Shahnawaz

Indeed I have pondered over the situation of those who attack the Shaykh and his Da’wah, and I found them to be:

a) Either a kāfir (infidel, disbeliever)

b) Or a Shī’ī, Rāfidhī

c) Or an extremist Sūfī

d) Or a deviant heretic

e) Or a jāhil (ignorant) who repeats what he hears without knowing anything regarding the Shaykh and his Da’wah.

Great article. Got5 has (c), (d), and (e) written all over him. The other liberals on this board are no better the way they just parrot these words without realizing the negative connotations that these words bring. And then they wonder why we, as muslims, are so disunited?

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Originally Posted by Shahnawaz

lol, wahabis. You lot are sound like shias. Wahabi this wahabi that.

Can you not see that most people are making fun of the fact that there is no such thing as a "Wahabi"? Its not Haraam to laugh you know.

Originally Posted by ShamilB

Great article. Got5 has (c), (d), and (e) written all over him. The other liberals on this board are no better the way they just parrot these words without realizing the negative connotations that these words bring. And then they wonder why we, as muslims, are so disunited?

See what I told Shahnawaz and learn to crack a smile once in a while.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Shahnawaz

lol, wahabis. You lot are sound like shias. Wahabi this wahabi that.

now wahabis are calling other people 'jahils' or 'deviants' but dont like it when they get called that, how nice.

[Shahnawaz]

Originally Posted by Revert

Can you not see that most people are making fun of the fact that there is no such thing as a "Wahabi"? Its not Haraam to laugh you know.



See what I told Shahnawaz and learn to crack a smile once in a while.

No my friend, alot of the guys on here actually beleive in the Wahabi monster.

Even the ones that don't and actually know that it is Islam that most of these criminals have a problem with, they still use this myth to try and avoid being in the firing line of the Kuffar, by neatly placing the blame on "extremist wahabi fanatics". These tend to be from the laughable "traditionalist" camp.

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Originally Posted by Shahnawaz

No my friend, alot of the guys on here actually beleive in the Wahabi monster.

Even the ones that don't and actually know that it is Islam that most of these criminals have a problem with, they still use this myth to try and avoid being in the firing line of the Kuffar, by neatly placing the blame on "extremist wahabi fanatics". These tend to be from the laughable "traditionalist" camp.

erm I think you will find theres a lot more people who know the truth of Wahabism than you realize.

Either way its all misguided propaganda.

[Kadhim]

Originally Posted by ShamilB

I still have no idea what your definition of "wahhabism" is.

While the West has little reason to feel threatened by traditional Islam, the events of Sept. 11 demonstrate that we have much to fear from Wahabism.

Who is "we" here?

Give us a break; this whole "there's no such thing as Wahhabbis" line wears pretty thin. If you've been around in the Muslim community for awhile, you've either been harrassed by Wahhabbis, or you are a Wahhabbi.

[ShamilB]

Originally Posted by Kadhim

Give us a break; this whole "there's no such thing as Wahhabbis" line wears pretty thin. If you've been around in the Muslim community for awhile, you've either been harrassed by Wahhabbis, or you are a Wahhabbi.

Phew, finally we're getting somewhere. I think we might just crack this mystery.

So your definition of "Wahhabis" are people who just go around the community harassing people? Well, thanks for your scholarly opinion.

[Kadhim]

Originally Posted by ShamilB

Phew, finally we're getting somewhere. I think we might just crack this mystery.

So your definition of "Wahhabis" are people who just go around the community harassing people? Well, thanks for your scholarly opinion.

No, they're the easily identifiable, unimaginative, ratty foot-long-bearded, pants rolled up to their knees with their legs spread so that they're practically doing the splits while they pray, Ibn Taymiyyah spouting, close-minded, intolerant, people with no sense of humor and no respect for for the Muslims who disagree with them who go around the community harassing people.

[ShamilB]

Originally Posted by Kadhim

No, they're the easily identifiable, unimaginative, ratty foot-long-bearded, pants rolled up to their knees with their legs spread so that they're practically doing the splits while they pray, Ibn Taymiyyah spouting, close-minded, intolerant, people with no sense of humor and no respect for for the Muslims who disagree with them who go around the community harassing people.

The closest that come to the above description are the desi uncles in my local masjid. They have this self-righteous attitude that they know better than us and that everyone else is wrong. They are close-minded, intolerant, have absolutely no sense of humor, and go around harassing people. I should label them Wahhabis from now on.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Kadhim

Give us a break; this whole "there's no such thing as Wahhabbis" line wears pretty thin. If you've been around in the Muslim community for awhile, you've either been harrassed by Wahhabbis, or you are a Wahhabbi.

exactly, everyone gets harrassed by them. loud mouth, rude and obnoxious, always fighting with you, fighting in the mosques and what not. these people have no concept of tolerance, even towards other muslims and thats what i have a problem with. if you want to practice your beliefs, thats your own business, but dont impose it on me.

see im being called a 'deviant' a 'jahil' or even 'kaffir'. ya ya im such a 'jahil' that every jummah i lay out the mat's for all the worshipers to pray on, and then remove them when the salat is over. and i even move peoples shoes close to the mats that are remaining, once i start to remove the mat's so they wont have to walk barefoot on the hard concrete.