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Is Caliphate the Right of Shias' Imams?
This is an important question and is avoided by the shias especially if you ask in shiachat forum, they ban you or delete the thread.
If the station of Imamat was not sufficient for the first Imam of shia, that he could preach the way Imams following Husain (r.a) did without getting into 'politics' or power that would make him 'more shia' as we understand the shia ideology. Their version of Islam spins around 'Sufi-ism' with 'all peace and love' message, it has 'nothing to do' with violence, or I am wrong here?
Unfortunately, the first Imam of shias got into violence, or in the language of 'shiaism' he was pushed to that; this culture of 'violence' continued in the life of second and third Imams of shias and then the world became 'Sufi-fied' i.e peacefull all of a sudden?
After the Holy Prophet s.a.w, Islam was 'in danger', the masum Imam was required to 'protect' the religion, and after Imam Husain 'saved Islam' in Karbala, other Imams never thought of Caliphate, then I must say today we are living in the 'golden age of Islam' with our Kaba under control of Wahabis and Masjid Aqsa under Jews. Imam Mehdi must be happy with 'such a nice' arrangement that is why he is making us wait for over a thousand years.
I have an unanswered question for everyone today in this forum; do you know who is the 'Modern Day Usurper' of the Caliphate?
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Re: Is Caliphate the Right of Shias' Imams?
I'd be happy to answer your question but ....
I cant understand your grammar, or your question.
Maybe its me, I'm very tired - but those were some confusing sentences there buddy.
To be clear though: We do not believe that the Imams wanted the "Caliphate". They openly refused it, when offered to them, multiple times. Even Imam Ali refused it until the people begged him, and only reluctantly did he accept it.
We believe the office of the Imammat is much more encompassing than the concept of the Caliphate, which seems to be more of a "government administrator".
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We believe the office of the Imammat is much more encompassing than the concept of the Caliphate, which seems to be more of a "government administrator".
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That's a contradiction, because it was the Caliphate that made Khulafa Rashideen usurpers, in the eyes of shias, otherwise Abu Bakr r.a wouldn't mind if Ali r.a sat in the office of Imamat preaching people. |
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That's a contradiction, because it was the Caliphate that made Khulafa Rashideen usurpers, in the eyes of shias, otherwise Abu Bakr r.a wouldn't mind if Ali r.a sat in the office of Imamat preaching people.
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for some reason, that reminded me of this -
conjunction junction, whats ur function     
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ok phew - it wasnt just me that couldnt read his q. i thought i was losing my mind lol
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This is an important question and is avoided by the shias especially if you ask in shiachat forum, they ban you or delete the thread.
If the station of Imamat was not sufficient for the first Imam of shia, that he could preach the way Imams following Husain (r.a) did without getting into 'politics' or power that would make him 'more shia' as we understand the shia ideology. Their version of Islam spins around 'Sufi-ism' with 'all peace and love' message, it has 'nothing to do' with violence, or I am wrong here?
Unfortunately, the first Imam of shias got into violence, or in the language of 'shiaism' he was pushed to that; this culture of 'violence' continued in the life of second and third Imams of shias and then the world became 'Sufi-fied' i.e peacefull all of a sudden?
After the Holy Prophet s.a.w, Islam was 'in danger', the masum Imam was required to 'protect' the religion, and after Imam Husain 'saved Islam' in Karbala, other Imams never thought of Caliphate, then I must say today we are living in the 'golden age of Islam' with our Kaba under control of Wahabis and Masjid Aqsa under Jews. Imam Mehdi must be happy with 'such a nice' arrangement that is why he is making us wait for over a thousand years.
I have an unanswered question for everyone today in this forum; do you know who is the 'Modern Day Usurper' of the Caliphate?
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What on earth are you talking about? 
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'what' are you 'talking about' ? 
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Re: Is Caliphate the Right of Shias' Imams?
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do you know who is the 'Modern Day Usurper' of the Caliphate?
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Poignant question?
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Its like ... written in English ... but it follows no rules of grammar...
What the hell is this guy asking?
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