[Fundamentalist]

Islam is not only about what is in Quran, because Quran didn't come itself to us but it was brought by a man who was the Messenger of Allah. The Quranites when claim they believe in Quran only because 'only' Quran is reliable and hadith is not, because hadith doesn't make any sense; that's where Quranite-sect rejects the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad s.a.w making excuses and rejecting the consensus and tawatur of Ummah.

Quran is a guide book that was explained by the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.

[Liam_Saiful_Din]

Please god, make it stop before it starts...again!

[ameen]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

Islam is not only about what is in Quran, because Quran didn't come itself to us but it was brought by a man who was the Messenger of Allah. The Quranites when claim they believe in Quran only because 'only' Quran is reliable and hadith is not, because hadith doesn't make any sense; that's where Quranite-sect rejects the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad s.a.w making excuses and rejecting the consensus and tawatur of Ummah.

Quran is a guide book that was explained by the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.

salam,

so why did the Prophet only leave the Qur'an with us when he passed away? Why did you have to wait over two-hundred years for other books to be produced by Bukhari, Muslim, Thirmidhi and others? Are you saying that the Prophet left Islam incomplete and insufficient in the world when he passed away?

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by ameen

so why did the Prophet only leave the Qur'an with us when he passed away? Why did you have to wait over two-hundred years for other books to be produced by Bukhari, Muslim, Thirmidhi and others? Are you saying that the Prophet left Islam incomplete and insufficient in the world when he passed away?

Prophet s.a.w left his trained team (companions) behind, so you should stop crying now

He didn't leave behind ignorant fools who claimed that Prophet didn't explain Quran to them.

No doubt, the Prophet left complete Islam, it's only the Rejecters of Prophet, the Quranites, the Hadith Rejecters who claim otherwise.
By the way what does it mean by salaat in Quran? Is there any explanation given there?

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

Prophet s.a.w left his trained team (companions) behind, so you should stop crying now

He didn't leave behind ignorant fools who claimed that Prophet didn't explain Quran to them.

No doubt, the Prophet left complete Islam, it's only the Rejecters of Prophet, the Quranites, the Hadith Rejecters who claim otherwise.
By the way what does it mean by salaat in Quran? Is there any explanation given there?

Dude, you're beating a dead horse. These fringe elements have been on Islamica for years.

[TariqBinSleepin]

Just close this thread. Pretty pointless only spreading more unnecessary arguing.

[ameen]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

Prophet s.a.w left his trained team (companions) behind

salam,

Then why did those companions only follow the Qur'an? Why didn't they have books of Hadith even after the Prophet passed away? How come they could perform Salah without Hadith but you can't? Why did you have to innovate in the religion and introduce new sources centuries after the Prophet's death?

[TariqBinSleepin]

Originally Posted by ameen

salam,

Then why did those companions only follow the Qur'an? Why didn't they have books of Hadith even after the Prophet passed away? How come they could perform Salah without Hadith but you can't? Why did you have to innovate in the religion and introduce new sources centuries after the Prophet's death?

Assalamu Alaikum,

Mayb the reason was because after 200 Years muslims started realizing that the muslim ummah were not all educated and that before all the companions or the closest ones are lost, we should record everything down? You're saying that the Hadiths are all just made up even though they are quoted by some of the greatest sahabas, Abdullah Ibn Umar and etc...How are they innovating? You do know there is a system for hadiths right? weak hadiths, strong hadiths...etc.

[ameen]

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

Mayb the reason was because after 200 Years muslims started realizing that...

salam,

so are you admitting that the whole existence of the authority of Hadith was just an 'idea' some Muslims had so many years later? Are you admitting that the Prophet had nothing to do with the authority given to Hadith, since this 'idea' came in his absence hundreds of years later? Don't you see that what you are saying means the Prophet never gave authority to Hadith himself, since it was just something the Muslims 'realised' and derived an 'idea' from years after his death?

[shsh]

i think he meant that when the "team" was left behind, they knew the teachings directly from the Prophet, who knew everything because Allah (swt) told them to him. As generations go on, some of the newer generations started to loose the same grip that the "team" had on imaan and hence the "team" and people who were able to confirm things by the "team" created ahadiths to help the newer generations not get totally lost.

[revivalist786]

how do the "quranite" pray??becuase no where in the quran does it say how to pray..

[Revert]

My goodness just stop, its petty arguing for the sake of petty arguing. Accept that not all Muslims share the same ideas as yourself and move on, we aren't missonaries.

[ShamilB]

Originally Posted by ameen

salam,

so are you admitting that the whole existence of the authority of Hadith was just an 'idea' some Muslims had so many years later? Are you admitting that the Prophet had nothing to do with the authority given to Hadith, since this 'idea' came in his absence hundreds of years later? Don't you see that what you are saying means the Prophet never gave authority to Hadith himself, since it was just something the Muslims 'realised' and derived an 'idea' from years after his death?

During the Prophet's time, there was no need to establish the authority of hadith. If people had questions, they would simply ask the Prophet (SAW). But still many companions memorized the sayings of the Prophet (SAW). A few companions even wrote down the sayings and actions of the Prophet (SAW). So to claim that the "idea came hundreds of years later" is misleading and doesn't take into account the thousands of narrations from the companions that were passed on to great Imams such as Bukhari and Muslim few hundred years later. This was when the science of hadith was established, this is when the hadith were classified according to the authenticity of the chains of narrations. This is when it became a science - this is the golden age of hadith compilation and classification. How you heard of the term mutawattir hadith? These are ahadith that are coming to us in many different chains of narrations. There is no doubt as to the authenticity of this hadith. To understand the beauty of this science, you have to study Uloom Al-Hadith. But just knowing that Islam is the only religion that has given us this method or science of documenting every action and saying of the Prophet (SAW) is amazing enough.

Also, keep in mind the Quran commands us to obey the Prophet (SAW) in many verses. How do you do this? Simple, just follow the Sunnah. There are many other refutations but this is the easiest refutation against the Quraniyoon. But just using your logic and intellect will tell you that the Quran is not a stand-alone book. It needs a complementary source. Things like how to pray, how much zakat to give, etc are not found in the Quran. It's funny how these Quran-only people skirt this issue every time.

[Revert]

Again I reiterate my previous point, stop acting like kids, we all have differing views and 9 times out of 10 they won't change, stop being so persistant and ignorant and get over yourselves.

[TariqBinSleepin]

Originally Posted by ameen

salam,

so are you admitting that the whole existence of the authority of Hadith was just an 'idea' some Muslims had so many years later? Are you admitting that the Prophet had nothing to do with the authority given to Hadith, since this 'idea' came in his absence hundreds of years later? Don't you see that what you are saying means the Prophet never gave authority to Hadith himself, since it was just something the Muslims 'realised' and derived an 'idea' from years after his death?

Nope thats not what I meant. People wrote the hadiths during the prophets time too There is a thread here about the Sahabas, called Know the Sahaba's posted by AbuAlAbbas,

The sahab's would sit next to the prophet and record his every saying. In the below case it is

Abdullah ibn Abbas (RA)

During the lifetime of the Prophet, Abdullah would not miss any of his assemblies and he would commit to memory whatever he said. After the Prophet passed away, he would take care to go to as many companions as possible especially those who knew the Prophet longer and learn from them what the Prophet had taught them. Whenever he heard that someone knew a hadith of the Prophet which he did not know he would go quickly to him and record it. He would subject whatever he heard to close scrutiny and check it against other reports. He would go to as many as thirty companions to verify a single matter.