[Variable]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Like you said compare and contrast.

How is a wage slave, different than one bound in chains?

Uh... I explained that statement in a post above.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Variable

Uh... I explained that statement in a post above.

That was concerning illegal immigration.

this 'wage slavery' is the driving force of modern day capitalism.
How does this differ from the slavery of old?

[Variable]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

That was concerning illegal immigration.

this 'wage slavery' is the driving force of modern day capitalism.
How does this differ from the slavery of old?

There have always been poor people. And there has always been a difference between the poor and slaves.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Variable

I'm agreeing with you in every way that the abuse of illegal immigrants is a bad thing. But it's not slavery. They aren't being kept their through force of authority of the state. What's happening there is a crime.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, to me it's just semantics, and those people abused like that are slaves.

There is a huge difference between wage slaves and the scenario we're talking about. Wage slaves have the freedom to change their lives, they have opportunities to fix things for themselves, get promotions. Yes, they are poor, but they still have fundamental freedoms that real slavery abolishes.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by VARIABLE

There have always been poor people. And there has always been a difference between the poor and slaves.

There have always been poor people?
You can say there have always been slaves as well.

Yet Islamic slavery never had people chained to boats, was never based upon race, there was a path to freedom, conversion.
Yet In american slavery you were converted while enslaved, and your slavery was part of your conversion, it was deemed good to the soul.


Also, this large gap between rich and poor, like the great evils of american slavery are now institutionalized.
Whats the difference, besides Corporations being the Masters here, and all of human being subjected.

I guess would would be the stereotypical
house slave.

You don't care about the plight of those working in the fields.

Always been a difference between poor and slaves?

Are serfs not slaves?
Yet were they not enslaved?
Was it not institutionalized?

If you were born a serf then you were a serf.
That was that.

Even in ancient times, the poor were the slaves.
look at the ancient kmt civilization,
Look at Mesopotamia, the Mycenaean, the Dorian civilizations.

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

There have always been poor people?
You can say there have always been slaves as well.

Yet Islamic slavery never had people chained to boats, was never based upon race, there was a path to freedom, conversion.
Yet In american slavery you were converted while enslaved, and your slavery was part of your conversion, it was deemed good to the soul.


Also, this large gap between rich and poor, like the great evils of american slavery are now institutionalized.
Whats the difference, besides Corporations being the Masters here, and all of human being subjected.

I guess would would be the stereotypical
house slave.

Yeah, Muslims just stuck chains around their necks and dragged them across the desert instead.

You should really consider becoming a hippie, seeing you are so anti establishment.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by Variable

Several Muslim countries' governments still uphold mandates for slavery - drawing on Islamic sources.

It's often made out that the Islamic take on slavery was some kind of kindly practice. The fact that people instantly juxtapose it to the model of slavery in the American South, in my mind one of the biggest crimes against humanity in our species' history, only serves to further assure me that Islam's take on slavery was no picnic.

What a joke thread!

Muslim countries' governments don't matter at all because most of them are still enslaved by the West, you had better condemn the Kuffar in the West at the first place for that reason. They claim to have banned slavery in their societies but they practice it in the outside world when they blackmail and oppress weaker nations. And a sister rightly said about illegal immigrants who are treated as slaves in the US etc.

In Islam, slavery is the punishment for those who not only refuse to come under the slavery of Allah but also defy Him in the opposition of Islam; if they are caught as prisoners of wars, they will be made slaves but still they will have rights to enjoy as prescribed by Islam. They will not be treated as animals as Kuffaar treat the 3rd World.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

What a joke thread!

Muslim countries' governments don't matter at all because most of them are still enslaved by the West, you had better condemn the Kuffar in the West at the first place for that reason. They claim to have banned slavery in their societies but they practice it in the outside world when they blackmail and oppress weaker nations. And a sister rightly said about illegal immigrants who are treated as slaves in the US etc.

In Islam, slavery is the punishment for those who not only refuse to come under the slavery of Allah but also defy Him in the opposition of Islam; if they are caught as prisoners of wars, they will be made slaves but still they will have rights to enjoy as prescribed by Islam. They will not be treated as animals as Kuffaar treat the 3rd World.

... anyway

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

What a joke thread!

Muslim countries' governments don't matter at all because most of them are still enslaved by the West, you had better condemn the Kuffar in the West at the first place for that reason. They claim to have banned slavery in their societies but they practice it in the outside world when they blackmail and oppress weaker nations. And a sister rightly said about illegal immigrants who are treated as slaves in the US etc.

In Islam, slavery is the punishment for those who not only refuse to come under the slavery of Allah but also defy Him in the opposition of Islam; if they are caught as prisoners of wars, they will be made slaves but still they will have rights to enjoy as prescribed by Islam. They will not be treated as animals as Kuffaar treat the 3rd World.

There is no good slavery anywhere at anytime. According to your logic above, then the 3rd world countries are being enslaved as the punishment of Allah. People usually refer to a higher power to justify their misdeeds.

[CHUCKprojectMECCA]

To understand Slavery in the Islamic world, you have to first understand that slavery as americans know it is completely different than slavery anywhere else. at the time, for economical reasons it was impossible to abolish slavery, but freeing slaves was encouraged so much that slaves would be free over time anyway.

to truly understand this, i would recommend watching the movie "The Message".


I know this is random, but are you the same variable that created the F Islam facebook group?

[Variable]

Originally Posted by CHUCKprojectMECCA

To understand Slavery in the Islamic world, you have to first understand that slavery as americans know it is completely different than slavery anywhere else.

Check. I still think it's bad.

I know this is random, but are you the same variable that created the F Islam facebook group?

what...

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by CHUCKprojectMECCA

I know this is random, but are you the same variable that created the F Islam facebook group?

That thought crossed my mind too... but only for a second, Variable, I swear.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Timbit

That thought crossed my mind too... but only for a second, Variable, I swear.

Wait what are you guys even talking about - there's someone going around with my Islamica name? Talking about Islam?

[Serve]

Islamic Expansion and Decline: Chapter 8: The Slave Society

Basically nobody has the patience to read the whole thing. If you want to, click away and go for it. basic thrust of it -- Islam sanctioned and in fact "prospered" on the backs of slaves no less, and often more than even the worst western colonialism; complete with the racist overtones of slavery (only arabs, instead of whites, were "the best"). we have to face the unpleasantries of our history no less than the glories.

for the snowball's-chance-in-hell somebody wants to read the whole thing, click on the link. it is referenced with over 100 sources, all from lands of Islam throughout Caliphate history. For those who insist Islam 'abolished" slavery, consider what the Ottoman Jannisaries were; for just one example out of maaany.

[TrentReznor858]

What is your point? What could come of this anyway?