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The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
Most of us have a Pikthall or Yusuf Ali translation of the Quran at home.
The translation they give for the verse 4:34, uses the word 'beat/scourge' for an arabic word suggesting the Quran advocates wife beating i.e.
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, great (above you all)." - Yusuf Ali Translation
"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great." - Marmaduke Pikthall Translation
A study of the arabic word used, the whole Verse, as well the Qur'an as a whole reveals a very different picture. More specifically, the arabic word used has some of the most varied meanings out of all the arabic words. Many translators took note of this erroneous traditional translation of Verse 4:34. We have many alternative translations of the Quran which does not propogate the unnatural and violant orthodox 'beat/scourge/hit etc.' interpretation. Before we continue, we should bear in mind the following advise of the Qur'an:
"The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the BEST of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence." [Qur'an39:18]
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
salam,
Thanks for posting : )
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
This is the danger of Translations and misguided people trying to translate Gods words.
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
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This is the danger of Translations and misguided people trying to translate Gods words.
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salam,
True, some people will use any excuse to beat their wives... |
10-27-2007, 10:23 PM
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
Here's an interesting article on the topic of Qur'anic (English) translations:
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
Good thread.
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salam,
True, some people will use any excuse to beat their wives...
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True. I wan't attacking anyone with my previous statement, it was a general observation on all of us.
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"There is no difference whether you have a basketful or a small piece. They all taste the same," Hodja remarked.
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
eh, when different records are seen together it's easy and assuring to deduce that it is better not to hit your wife but it doesn't change the fact that the verse exists. It exists as a certainty, the meaning is not ambiguous, it exists. That comes with the assumption that someone who beats his wife because he fears she will be disloyal to him will not get punished for doing so.
That comes with the assumption that the quran is literal and the above verse does not merely relate to a certain context which no longer exists.
I'm not trying to be awkward, i'm just tired of excuses. Bringing other hadith which are all really sweet to cover this one isn't going to make it go away, speculating that the word 'daraba' actually means to separate and all those people got it wrong for so many centuries isn't going to make me feel at ease 
and no, "beating lightly" is not better 
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
I've heard another translation which meant "to hold in confinement." Also not better.
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
See this is why we should leave it to Experts of Linguistics to translate any text.
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
but they have, these are their translations.
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
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and no, "beating lightly" is not better |
There is no reference to beatings being lightly in the arabic version of the Koran, just the English version. Including it was taqiyya (the Islamic concept of withholding the truth to protect Islam) on the part of the translator. |
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
yeah i was talking about it's existing as an excuse not as a literal translation of the quran.
I think it would be good for any man who hits his wife to have a surgical operation which transforms him into a eunuch. I would be happy to enforce this law.
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but they have, these are their translations.
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If that were the case there wouldn't be so much contention in the translations.
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Children saw Hodja coming from the vineyard with 2 basketfuls of grapes on his donkey, gathered around him and asked him to give them some.
Hodja picked up a bunch of grapes, cut it up into pieces and gave each child a piece.
"You have so much, but you gave us so little," the children complained.
"There is no difference whether you have a basketful or a small piece. They all taste the same," Hodja remarked.
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Re: The Qur'an does NOT advise husbands to beat their wives.
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If that were the case there wouldn't be so much contention in the translations.
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You don't think? I think there will always be contention. Wasn't sure what you meant by professional linguistic before but yeah, it's a valid point. You reckon it would change the definition of 'daraba'? 
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