[iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

This is turning into a personal, ego-feeding thread about why Variable uncle won't convert to Islam.

Maybe we should get back to the wife-beating issue.

ya seriously, give the guy a break... it's his life, he's not hurting anyone

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Variable

Or Catholocism, or Mormonism...

Putting all that aside, do you disagree with those restrictions as mentioned earlier regardless of the reason, or do you disagree with the rationales themselves?

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Variable

That I'm perfectly justified in making judgments on a movement that judges me.

Okay. That's what I said too.
We all judge each other's beliefs. Big deal.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Okay. That's what I said too.
We all judge each other's beliefs. Big deal.

arrgh. You asked me a question and I tried to answer it.

[Arabesque]

Seriously now, such a waste of bandwith. He doesn't want to see it our way, it's his choice (or loss, however we want to see it). Arguing about this won't make Variable like Islam more or less. He obviously has his own formed solid views, and perhaps only divine revelation of some sort can change these views. It's his business if he doesn't want to accept or understand Islam the way we do. If some of you care about his religious beliefs and want to win him over to Camp Islam, then I think the best thing to go about that would be to pray for him, not waste three pages on a pointless argument.

Who thinks wife-beating should be a sport?

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Seriously now, such a waste of bandwith. He doesn't want to see it our way, it's his choice (or loss, however we want to see it). Arguing about this won't make Variable like Islam more or less. He obviously has his own formed solid views, and perhaps only divine revelation of some sort can change these views. It's his business if he doesn't want to accept or understand Islam the way we do. If some of you care about his religious beliefs and want to win him over to Camp Islam, then I think the best thing to go about that would be to pray for him, not waste three pages on a pointless argument.

Who thinks wife-beating should be a sport?

Oh, I wasn't arguing with him.
I was just trying to figure out exactly what it was that he was saying.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu

ya seriously, give the guy a break... it's his life, he's not hurting anyone

Don't worry, Arabesque is just the meanest person on Islamica, that's all.


Anyway, I'll do everyone a favour and shut up now, any further questions or comments - even nasty ones- please direct them to my profile. (which by the way was what I said like 5 pages ago)

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by Variable

Don't worry, she's just the meanest girl on Islamica, that's all.

Start by practicing what you preach. Maybe that should have gone to my profile, no?

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Who thinks wife-beating should be a sport?

You mean it isn't? Don't tell any of my concubines.

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

You mean it isn't? Don't tell any of my concubines.

Not officially, no. Not enough players .. or fans, I guess.

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by Variable

Don't worry, Arabesque is just the meanest person on Islamica, that's all.

It was vague, and then you decided it would be better to name the person. How sweet.

Get a life, Variable.

[MossadConspiracy]

[bihari]

I thought I would add:

Taken from Muhammad Asad translation:

4:34 MEN SHALL take full care of women with the bounties which God has bestowed more abundantly on the former than on the latter, Asad(4,42)[42] and with what they may spend out of their possessions. And the right*eous women are the truly devout ones, who guard the intimacy which God has [ordained to be] guar*ded. Asad(4,43)[43] And as for those women whose ill-will Asad(4,44)[44] you have reason to fear, admonish them [first]; then leave them alone in bed; then beat them; Asad(4,45)[45] and if thereupon they pay you heed, do not seek to harm them. Behold, God is indeed most high, great!

Note 45 (Quran Ref: 4:34 ) It is evident from many authentic Traditions that the Prophet himself intensely detested the idea of beating one's wife, and said on more than one occasion, "Could any of you beat his wife as he would beat a slave, and then lie with her in the evening?" (Bukhari and Muslim). According to another Tradition, he forbade the beating of any woman with the words, "Never beat God's handmaidens" (Abu Da’ud, Nasa’i, Ibn Majah, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Ibn Hibban and Hakim, on the authority of Iyas ibn ‘Abd Allah; Ibn Hibban, on the authority of ‘Abd Allah ibn ‘Abbas; and Bayhaqi, on the authority of Umm Kulthum). When the above Qur’an-verse authorizing the beating of a refractory wife was revealed, the Prophet is reported to have said: "I wanted one thing, but God has willed another thing - and what God has willed must be best" (see Manar V, 74). With all this, he stipulated in his sermon on the occasion of the Farewell Pilgrimage, shortly before his death, that beating should be resorted to only if the wife "has become guilty, in an obvious manner, of immoral conduct", and that it should be done "in such a way as not to cause pain (ghayr mubarrih)"; authentic Traditions to this effect are found in Muslim, Tirmidhi, Abu Da'ud, Nasa'i and Ibn Majah. On the basis of these Traditions, all the authorities stress that this "beating", if resorted to at all, should be more or less symbolic - "with a toothbrush, or some such thing" (Tabari, quoting the views of scholars of the earliest times), or even "with a folded handkerchief" (Razi); and some of the greatest Muslim scholars (e.g., Ash-Shafi’i) are of the opinion that it is just barely permissible, and should preferably be avoided: and they justify this opinion by the Prophet's personal feelings with regard to this problem.(Quran Ref: 4:34 )