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Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen on Committing Suicide Attacking The Enemy by Blowing Oneself Up In a CarAuthor: Shaikh Ibn UthaimeenSource: Kaifa Nu'aaliju Waaqi'unaa al-AleemArticle ID : MNJ140003 [16221]



Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen on Attacking the enemy by blowing oneself up in a car

Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihaad by means of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as a result of this action?
Response: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam).

[((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)]].

However, one who is ignorant and does not know, and assumes his action was good and pleasing to Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala), then we hope Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) forgives him for that which he did out of (ignorant) ijtihaad, even though I do not find any excuse for him in the present day. This is because this type of suicide is well known and widespread amongst the people, so it is upon the person to ask the people of knowledge (scholars) regarding it, until the right guidance for him is differentiated from the error.

And from that which is surprising, is that these people kill themselves despite Allaah having fordbidden this, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:

{And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you}, [Soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29].

And many amongst them do not desire anything except revenge of the enemy, by whatever means, be it halaal or haraam. So they only want to satisfy their thirst for revenge.

We ask Allaah to bless us with foresight in His Deen and action(s) which please Him, indeed He is all Powerful over all things.
Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen
Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 119


Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen on Committing suicide

Question: What is the ruling regarding suicide in Islaam?

Response: Suicide is when a person kills himself intentionally by whatever means. This is haraam and regarded as amongst the major sins, and likewise included in the general statement of Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala):

{And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allaah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him}, [Soorah an-Nisaa, Aayah 93].
And it is established from the Sunnah on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) who said:

((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)].

In reality, the one who commits suicide, generally does so because of his desperate situation, either as a direct result of an act of Allaah or a human being. So you find him unable to cope with that which has afflicted him, and in actual fact he is like one who is calling for help from the scorching heat of the fire. So he has progressed from that which was tough (bad) to that which is worse. And if he was patient, then Allaah would have assisted him in dealing with the difficulty.
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Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 120

Shaikh Ibn Baz and Shaikh Ibn Jibreen on Hijacking and KidnappingSource: Kaifa Nu'aaliju Waaqi'unaa al-AleemArticle ID : MNJ140002 [15666]




Imaam Ibn Baaz on Hijacking planes and kidnapping

"From that which is known to everyone who has the slightest bit of common sense is that hijacking airplanes and kidnapping children and the like are extremely great crimes, the world over. Their evil effects are far and wide, as is the great harm and inconvenience caused to the innocent; the total effect of which none can comprehend except Allaah.
Likewise, from that which is known is that these crimes are not specific to any particular country over and above another country, nor any specific group over and above another group, rather it encompasses the whole world.

There is no doubt about the effect of these crimes; so it is obligatory upon the governments and those responsible from amongst the scholars and other than them to afford these issues great concern, and to exert themselves as much as possible in ending this evil."

Shaykh Ibn Baaz
Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 108-109

Hijacking planes and ships

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Question: There are some people who hijack a plane or a ship, and do so to apply pressure upon the country to which this plane or ship is headed. It is possible they threaten to kill the passengers, and in some cases actually kill some of them, until their demands are met. So what is the ruling about such actions, especially since such actions terrify the passengers?

Response: It is upon (every) country to provide sufficient security to prevent the likes of these rebels from taking over (planes or ships). It is upon the (respective) country to provide every airline with security (whilst on their land) which is sufficient to resist any hijack attempts by the aggressors; just as they should also co-ordinate a full (passenger) inspection prior to (their) boarding. Thus, they should not permit anyone to proceed (to board) until after they have ascertained that no-one is in possession of weapons even if it be (a piece of) metal (bar or the like). In addition to this, some gangs force the aircraft to divert to another destination, so if there are (amongst the crew or passengers) anyone with sufficient physical training to overpower them, then the rebels' plans will be destroyed.

So there is no doubt that hijacking is a mistake, ignorance and falsehood. Further, it is a transgression beyond the limits causing terror to the passengers, and threatening them with that which they have no power to carry out, and Allaah knows best."
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Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 113
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but why is it that mostly wahabhis do the suicide tactic?
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Hamas = hizbis
"hizbullah" = hibzi rawafidh
taliban = sufis
al-qaeda = khawarij

These people are not followers of the salaf, stop learning your religion from the TV.
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^ alqaeda are funded by the wahabhis from saudi arabia. also taliban are heavly influenced by al-qaeda and wahabhis.
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Hamas = hizbis
"hizbullah" = hibzi rawafidh
taliban = sufis
al-qaeda = khawarij

These people are not followers of the salaf, stop learning your religion from the TV.
taliban arent sufis. and how are al-qaeda khawarij. if anything taliban have more salafi influence than anything. you make the most outrageous claims without providing any proof. if there can be any valid argument about which methodology is common amongst these terrorist groups, it has to be salafi (with the exception of hizbullah ofcourse). there is no reason to believe that Osama bin laden isnt influenced by wahhabism.
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taliban arent sufis. and how are al-qaeda khawarij. if anything taliban have more salafi influence than anything. you make the most outrageous claims without providing any proof. if there can be any valid argument about which methodology is common amongst these terrorist groups, it has to be salafi (with the exception of hizbullah ofcourse). there is no reason to believe that Osama bin laden isnt influenced by wahhabism.
taliban are deobandis, deobandis practice tasawwuf

but i dont know how al qaeda are khawarij, whats your proof for that?
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taliban arent sufis. and how are al-qaeda khawarij. if anything taliban have more salafi influence than anything. you make the most outrageous claims without providing any proof. if there can be any valid argument about which methodology is common amongst these terrorist groups, it has to be salafi (with the exception of hizbullah ofcourse). there is no reason to believe that Osama bin laden isnt influenced by wahhabism.
How is he making an outrageous claim? Taliban are deobandi, who are closer to sufis than salafis in aqeedah. The Deobandis are also behind the insurgency that is going on in Pakistan at the moment. How is al-Qaeda salafi-influenced? They have their own ideology and are independently driven.
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taliban are deobandis, deobandis practice tasawwuf

but i dont know how al qaeda are khawarij, whats your proof for that?

The khawarij made takfeer on the khulafah and fought them, Al-qaeda is doing the same thing to the leaders of muslim countries, and that is why they have been labeled as khawarij. Heres an article i found



We begin with the Name of Allaah



Khawariji</B></SPAN>The original Khawarij were the descendents of a man named Dhul-Khuwaysarah, as prophesied by the Messenger of Allah (may Allah raise his rank and grant him peace). They are the sect that were responsible for the killing of many of his companions. They differ from the followers of the Salaf (the Prophet and his companions) in that they do not restrict themselves to the understanding which the Salaf had when applying texts related to takfir (excommunication). Hence, they use textual evidences, but fall short in understanding them. This is why the likes of Osama Bin Laden make unrestricted takfir.

Regarding the Khawarij, Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan, one of the great Salafi scholars of this time, said: "So having enthusiasm and an over-protective love for the religion is not sufficient. They must be founded upon knowledge and understanding of Allah's religion." [Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan, Lamha 'an-il-Firaqid-Daallah]


The very first sect to split away from the main body of the Muslims. They will remain in the Ummah till they fight alongside Dajjal against this Ummah. The Khawaarij are a sect which came out to kill 'Alee ibn Abee Taalib (radhi-yallaahu 'anhu) concerning the issue of Ruling/ leadership.

The Khawarij believed that Mu`awiyah (may Allah be pleased with him) had committed kufr by fighting against the Caliph, and that `Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) had also committed kufr by agreeing to an arbitration. They were a strictly religious group who believed that any sin was kufr. They eventually fragmented into around twenty sects, each accusing the others of kufr. The Ibadiyyah is one of these sects, and remnants of them can be found to this day in Oman and North Africa.

Their chosen path was one of distancing themselves from 'Uthmaan ibn 'Affaan and 'Alee ibn Abee Taalib (radhi-yallaahu 'anhumaa), and condoning walking out against the Imaam (leader) and seeking to overthrow him if he opposes the Sunnah. Likewise, they would make takfeer (render someone a kaafir) of anyone who commits a major sin and claim that he will forever abide in the Fire of Hell.

Ash-Shahrastaanee defines them as: ((Anyone who walks out against (seeking to overthrow) the true appointed Imaam (leader) upon whose leadership the Jamaa'ah is in agreement is called a Khaarijee. This is the case, despite whether the walking out (against the Imaam) occurred in the days of the Rightly- Guided Khulafaa. or other than them from the Taabi'een)).

And some of the pious predecessors used to call all those who practiced Islaam based upon their desires as Khawaarij.
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al-qaeda arent khuwarij.

Allaah has described those who do not rule by what Allaah has revealed with three descriptions:

"Whosoever does not rule by what Allaah has revealed then they are the disbelievers [kaafiroon]."

"Whosoever does not rule by what Allaah has revealed then they are the oppressors [dhaalimoon]"

"Whosoever does not rule by what Allaah has revealed then they are the sinners [faasiqoon]."

The People of Knowledge have differed concerning this. So it is opined that these descriptions in fact describe one and the same thing because the kaafir is a dhaalim due to the saying of Allaah,

"And the disbelievers are the oppressors." [al-Baqarah (2): 254]

[Similarly the kaafir] is a faasiq due to the saying of Allaah,

"As for the sinners then their abode will be the Fire…" [as-Sajdah (32): 20]

also look into the hadith about the taaifa mansoor and the ghuraba.
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oh and sheikh al-albani issued a fatwa allowing martydom operations only after a number of conditions/intentions were met. and it seems he also had stronger evidence and if we look at the seerah of the companions we find martydom operations were carried out then as well as today.
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suicide bombings was never part if islam ^
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suicide bombings was never part if islam ^
there were no martydom operations in the past because they didnt have bombs but the concept was there and is still the same. and im not talking about hijacking or anything like that. and im also not reffing to killing any civilians or muslims or children or elderly or noncombatants, etc.
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oh and sheikh al-albani issued a fatwa allowing martydom operations only after a number of conditions/intentions were met. and it seems he also had stronger evidence and if we look at the seerah of the companions we find martydom operations were carried out then as well as today.
post your evidence of the albani fatwa
This is qutbi/takfiri ideology not that of the dawah al salafiyyah
Without a doubt shaykh bin uthaymeen and bin baz are the biggest scholars of al - salafiyah and their stances are clear in the articles i posted, suicide bombings is haraam.
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ok i am really mixing you guys two up^ you should change your names. i dont know who is saying what.
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post your evidence of the albani fatwa
This is qutbi/takfiri ideology not that of the dawah al salafiyyah
Without a doubt shaykh bin uthaymeen and bin baz are the biggest scholars of al - salafiyah and their stances are clear in the articles i posted, suicide bombings is haraam.

theres a doubt that suicede bombing is haram?
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