[AbuAbdullah]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

post your evidence of the albani fatwa
This is qutbi/takfiri ideology not that of the dawah al salafiyyah
Without a doubt shaykh bin uthaymeen and bin baz are the biggest scholars of al - salafiyah and their stances are clear in the articles i posted, suicide bombings is haraam.

Salafi Publication & Troid Sheikh Allows Suicide Operations!

In Saheeh Mawaarid ath-Thimaan for ash-Sheikh al-Albaani, (published after his death) 'alayhi rahmatullah, he says in volume two, page 119, after explaining the popular hadeeth of Abi Ayoob, regarding the saying of Allah tabaraka wa ta'ala: walaa tulqoo bi aydiykum ilat-tahlukah, he said, paraphrasing:

"And in this popular story is evidence for what is known today as 'suicide operations', which some of the youth of Islaam go about doing to the enemies of Allah, but for this act [to be permissible] are certain conditions, and they are: For this action to be solely done for the face of Allah and to give victory to the religion of Allah, not for showing off, or reputation, or bravery, or being depressed from life".

In A other statement he said this
Shaykh Albaani said:

That is not considered Suicide, Suicide is when a Muslim kills himself to be saved from his miserable life or something similar, as far as what you are asking about, that is Jihaad for the sake of Allah, but we must consider that this action cannot be done individually without to designate somebody as an Amir who can assess if it will be beneficial for Islam and Muslims, and if the Amir decides that to lose that mujahid is more beneficial than to keep him, especially if he is going to inflict damage on the enemy, then the opinion of that Amir is binding and even if the man is unhappy with that, he must obey him... [Shaykh Albaani continues on to say] Suicide is one of the biggest muharramaat, it is when someone dies because he want to end his dunya..., as for in the Jihad it is not Suicide, the way the Sahabah [RA] used to fight big numbers of the enemy by themselves.


Check this tape out:
http://www.fatwa-online.com/audio/ot...0/0040828_2.rm

[AbuAbdullah]

Fatwa of Sheikh Al-Maqdisi.....

Martyrdom Operations:
Although I have some remarks on these operations which are carried out by certain youths in Palestine by exploding themselves with bombs in order to make Jihad against the Jews and to inflict gross damage within their ranks, I disagree with those who regard it as suicide and that the executor is decreed to Hellfire. The reason behind this is that the investigation of the evidence in Shari'ah, indicates that the harsh threat of Hellfire due to the suicide, is rather for the person who kills himself in protest against Allah's Will, or for fear and worry from Allah's Decree, or that he hastened death because he was impatient during tribulations or injury, etc.

Therefore, as long as the Muslim Monotheist carrying out such operations is not doing it for any of these incentives, then the suicide ruling and the acrimonious threat mentioned in the Hadiths must not be subjoined to that person.

However, what should be noted regarding such operations is that there are general literal evidence that forbid self-killing under any circumstance, even if it was not due to the above mentioned incentives. Thus, these operations were the subject of research and Ijtihad (analogical deductions) by scholars. It has its analogues and counterparts in early books of jurisprudence, for example it could correspond to the famous issue of Tatarrus (Shielding).

I have scrutinised this problem in a Fatwa (legal opinion), wherein I directed the youth who are in charge of such operations to study the matter legally and seriously. It alerted those youth to certain issues, the most important of which are the following:

1. Effort should be made in utilising the latest technological methods, like remote control bombing devices or timed-devices, which minimises the number of victims in the ranks of the Mujahideen, for this is obligatory upon them if it is attainable. is because the Mujahid brother is a precious jewel in this time and must not be wasted for targets that can be claimed without losses of this type.

2. These operations should focus on military targets which distress the enemy and it should manifest the radiant image of the Islamic Jihad by avoiding intentional killing of children and their like1, whom the Lawmaker (s.w.t) orders us to evade, except in disconcert necessity as in the Hadith related by As-Sa'b bin Jaththama in Bukhari: "The Prophet (s.a.w) passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa' or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the Mushrik (polytheist) warriors at night with the probability of exposing their woman and children to danger. The Prophet (s.a.w) replied, 'They (ie. woman and children) are from them (ie. the Mushriks).' I also heard the Prophet (s.a.w) saying, 'The institution of Hima2 is invalid except for Allah and His Messenger (s.a.w)'

3. The motive behind such operations should be to establish a truly important and general Maslaha (benefit), or to repel a true Mafsada (blight), not a doubtful one, that can not be repelled in any other way. As for carrying out these operations to kill a Kafir who can be killed by a pistol or gun, then sacrificing the self is not permitted because it is not a necessity and because it can be accomplished by other means.

In summary, our scholars have given Fatwas which permitted operations that are analogous and comparative to these, whereby a great and true blight can be repelled and by no other method.

However, the allegation of some Sheikhs that these Jihadi operations only incur bloodshed upon the Muslims, is the typical scepticism of those who let down the Jihad in every place and not just Palestine. If the Muslims were to pay attention and observe allegations of that kind, then they will never resurge and no flag of Jihad will be raised. How did Allah's Deen reach us and how did we conquest the east and west, if it was not for the limbs and blood of the former Mujahideen? How can there be Jihad without bloodshed? How can blood be spared without blood being shed? How can Jihad be accomplished without sacrifice and blood? Did not Allah (s.w.t) Say: "Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed..." [9: 111] And also Said: "Let those (believers) who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of Allah, and whoso fights in the Cause of Allah, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward." [4: 74] Along with many other verses and Hadiths which exposes the falsehood and illegitimacy in the scepticism of those who spread disquieting news, those who are appointed in the Muslim ranks to fail the Jihad. Verily, Allah Says the Truth and guides to the Path.

[AbuAlAbbas]

Originally Posted by AbuAbdullah

Salafi Publication & Troid Sheikh Allows Suicide Operations!

In Saheeh Mawaarid ath-Thimaan for ash-Sheikh al-Albaani, (published after his death) 'alayhi rahmatullah, he says in volume two, page 119, after explaining the popular hadeeth of Abi Ayoob, regarding the saying of Allah tabaraka wa ta'ala: walaa tulqoo bi aydiykum ilat-tahlukah, he said, paraphrasing:

"And in this popular story is evidence for what is known today as 'suicide operations', which some of the youth of Islaam go about doing to the enemies of Allah, but for this act [to be permissible] are certain conditions, and they are: For this action to be solely done for the face of Allah and to give victory to the religion of Allah, not for showing off, or reputation, or bravery, or being depressed from life".

In A other statement he said this
Shaykh Albaani said:

That is not considered Suicide, Suicide is when a Muslim kills himself to be saved from his miserable life or something similar, as far as what you are asking about, that is Jihaad for the sake of Allah, but we must consider that this action cannot be done individually without to designate somebody as an Amir who can assess if it will be beneficial for Islam and Muslims, and if the Amir decides that to lose that mujahid is more beneficial than to keep him, especially if he is going to inflict damage on the enemy, then the opinion of that Amir is binding and even if the man is unhappy with that, he must obey him... [Shaykh Albaani continues on to say] Suicide is one of the biggest muharramaat, it is when someone dies because he want to end his dunya..., as for in the Jihad it is not Suicide, the way the Sahabah [RA] used to fight big numbers of the enemy by themselves.


Check this tape out:
http://www.fatwa-online.com/audio/ot...0/0040828_2.rm

you have just lied about a dead man rA, do you even listen to this audio?
http://www.fatwa-online.com/audio/other/oth010/0040828_2.rm

how are you gonna say albanee said suicide bombings are okay? he said they are not allowed in islam

[AbuAbdullah]

Originally Posted by AbuAlAbbas

you have just lied about a dead man rA, do you even listen to this audio?
http://www.fatwa-online.com/audio/other/oth010/0040828_2.rm

how are you gonna say albanee said suicide bombings are okay? he said they are not allowed in islam

my arabic isnt quite on par to fully understand what he said, however this info was passed on tto me by a bro, let me check back with him and see what if he has to say, cause i had no
idea what was written was contradictory.

if i had wanted to lie i wouldnt have posted the audio.

[revivalist786]

go and check out shaykh anwar al awlakis lecture on martyrdom bombing on youtube...

may allah swt grant all mujahideens who have given up ther life fisabilillah jannatul firdous..

[Akram2]

Originally Posted by revivalist786

go and check out shaykh anwar al awlakis lecture on martyrdom bombing on youtube...

may allah swt grant all mujahideens who have given up ther life fisabilillah jannatul firdous..

so you support terrorist suicide bombers?

[PeZZ]

the Salafi stance on terrorism/suicide bombings etc, is CLEAR... may Allah reward the brother AbuAlAbbas for speaking the truth........ check out www.thewahhabimyth.com book by haneef james oliver here's the book in pdf format http://www.cse.psu.edu/~nhoutz/thewahhabimyth.pdf

[revivalist786]

Originally Posted by Akram2

so you support terrorist suicide bombers?

suicide no

the difference between martyrdom bombing and suicide is the niyah (intentions).. the mujahideen are doing it fisabililiah while a man who kills himself willingly is doing it because he hates life..

would you call the sahaba ra who died in battle of uhud or badr suicide.. most of the sahaba ra wanted to die and they went in to the battles with the intention of becoming shaheed..

before you guys go on a "this brother is a deviant" or "this brother is a kafir" and the famous "this brother is a women and children killer" chants.. my views are those of major ulema that havent been bought out by the american governemnt, and jus to clarify i do not support the killing of innocent women and children...

salam alaykum wrb,

[Akram2]

^ so you pretty much support bin laden and his gang. I see. well good luck facing the wrath in this world, and the wrath in the here after.

[revivalist786]

Originally Posted by Akram2

^ so you pretty much support bin laden and his gang. I see. well good luck facing the wrath in this world, and the wrath in the here after.

GREAT!!!!

ahki stop putting words in my mouth..no where did i say i support bin laden nor his "gang".. may allah swt guide you on the right path ameen..