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786" - Does it stand for 'Bismillah Hirahmaan niraaheem' ?

We are meant to understand that '786' stands for 'Bismillah Hirahmaan Niraaheem'. How did it come about, and who started it? The numerals 786 in no way represent 'Bismillah Hirahmaan Niraaheem' and is not the Sunnat way. If one fears abuse of the letter, etc. 'Bismillah Hirahmaan Niraaheem' should be recited verbally at the beginning of the letter which will suffice for the written script. Refer below.

By Mufti Ebrahim Desai

CAN NUMBER 786 REPLACE THE HOLY NAME OF GOD? The innovation of writing '786' replacing 'Bismillah Hirahmaan Niraaheem' has been adopted for a long time and the majority of the Ummah is still indulged in it advertently.

Apart from the common folk, the scholars also heed no attention towards it and to avoid disrespect to the Holy Words they use it in their letters and documents. They adopt it as 'correct' and 'better' way to invite Allah's
blessings and have also started replacing the Holy Words by this number on their houses, offices, buildings, etc. Unfortunately, this tendency is gradually gaining momentum. But, do we see this number instead of the Holy Words in the Holy Qur'aan? Or, can we write it there as well? can we remove 'Bismillah Hirahmaan Niraaheem' from the top of Surah al-Faatiha and replace it with the number 786? Obviously not. If we study the Qur'aan, we see it carries the holy words in a letter from Prophet Solomon (pbuh) to the Queen of Sheeba -Bilqis - who was an infidel at that time. Even Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) in his letters to different heads of states and governments, used the holy words at the top.

Therefore, whosoever uses 786 with the intention to obtain Allah's blessings, is a misguided person and any attempt to justify it, is ignorance. More astonishing is that fact that '786' is an aggregation of the numbers of Hindu 'Lord Hari Krishna'. H(a)iri Kr(i)shna

h-5, r-200, r-10, k-20, r-200, sh-300, n-50, a-1 =Aggregate of 786

Thus, the aggregate number of these letters (Hari Krishna) equals 786. This is also the case of 'Bismillah Hirahmaan Niraaheem'. Therefore, it is necessary to avoid using this number to avoid the danger of being indulging in infidelity. Islam's foundation is laid on the belief in Tawheed (oneness of God). If we associate anyone with Allah's exalted names orally or practically, we would be committing infidelity that is an unpardonable sin.

The Qur'aan warns us, one who finds a rival against Allah, Allah will never allow him to enter paradise, and his abode is the hell. The letters by the Prophet(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) to non-Muslim Kings and chiefs bear the holy words 'Bismillah Hirahmaan Niraaheem'. This was also the case of his noble companions. Did the Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) and his companions respect the Holy Words less than we do? Was the verse, 'Today I completed your religion for you', revealed to the Prophet(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) or to the socalled scholars of our age who are all bent to amend the Divine principles.

Now, when it became known that '786' is written in place of Hindu, 'Lord Krishna', and has no significance in the Holy Qur'aan and Sunnah, it is obviously an innovation and goes against the Divine doctrine of 'Obey Allah and His Prophet'. Similarly, some Muslims replace Allah's name by the number '66' and the Prophet's name by '92'. But if one ask, the number '420' is used against somebody's name and he is called '420'.Can he bear such an insult? Calling someone by a nick name is a sin. Allah Ta'ala says, 'Don't call one another by nick names'. If Allah prohibits the use of nicknames for fellow human beings, how can He allow the use of such insulting replacement number for Himself and His Prophet (sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam).

'Bismillah Hirahmaan Niraaheem' has great significance in the Qur'aan and Muslims are ordered to begin any work but in the names Allah, not in the number of '786' or any other substitution.
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I don't use it myself but heres another explanation Numeral 786 as Basmala

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what the heck? i think i'll stick with the original...
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what the heck? i think i'll stick with the original...
I know some Indian muslims are just crazy. I think that's why they are getting their ass kicked by hindus.
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Haha, trust Bida'path to comend the use of neumorology, which is has more to do with the occult than with Islam.

Abandon this Bida'.
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Haha, trust Bida'path to comend the use of neumorology, which is has more to do with the occult than with Islam.

Abandon this Bida'.
Invented by the desis, of course.
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I don't use it myself but heres another explanation Numeral 786 as Basmala

Wassalaam

Thats the one I'm familiar with, although I admit I've used it rarely in the distant past........I dont bother with it anymore, just recite "Bismillah...." before beginning to do anything.


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I think it's silly..(my humble opinion). Is it so difficult to say the full "Bismillahirahmaniraheem"???
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Its not that it is replaced in spoken sentences.
This was mainly used in written works that were distributed to non-muslims and the general masses. They were afraid that if they were to write the name of Allah (subhanahu wata `ala) on a piece of paper and it somehow ended up in the garbage or in some other unclean place, it would be disrespectful.
Now a days many scholars replace the bismillah with just the letter Ba in the beginning of most of their works [for the same reasons as above].

Again i do not use it because i have no use for it.
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I don't use it myself but heres another explanation Numeral 786 as Basmala

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lol i'ts funny that no one clicked on your link or read it...

The author of the article is ignorant. If he had clicked on your link he would have felt like an idiiot.

My personal favorite is the fact he claims hari krishna is 786 but according to accumulation is actually 776... lol..
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