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Suburban Chicago district adds Ramadan to list of school holidays

By SOPHIA TAREEN | Associated Press Writer
12:00 PM CDT, October 14, 2007

OAK LAWN, Ill. -
A string of red plastic lanterns adorns preschool classroom 138 at Harnew School, hung by a Muslim student to share an Arab tradition during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

"They signify light and a time of being neighborly, respectful and reaching out to help," teacher Kathy Montesano explained to students during circle time on the carpet.

The peaceful lesson was a contrast to an uproar that divided parents for weeks this fall after a Muslim parent in the 2,100-student district just outside Chicago asked to hang lights featuring crescent moons and stars -- and the school board responded by considering a ban on celebrating religious holidays.

Hundreds of people showed up at school board meetings. Some complained about the loss of Santa and claimed Muslims were being demanding. A non-Muslim parent yelled ethnic slurs. Police were called. And the woman whose request sparked the controversy said she was threatened with violence.

But earlier this month, Ridgeland School District 122 -- where 30 percent of students are Muslim -- made an uncommon compromise: It would add Ramadan to a list of approved holidays, along with Christmas and Halloween.

"We will continue to recognize the separation of church and state. The theology of religion will remain at home," its directive now reads. "Christmas, Halloween and Ramadan will be celebrated ... Santa will stay the same."

For years, schools nationwide have quietly accommodated Muslim students on a case-by-case basis, providing places to pray, alternatives to sitting in the lunchroom while fasting and excused absences for holidays.

But as Muslim populations surge, they find that's not enough.

"Oak Lawn has changing demographics," said Superintendent Tom Smyth. "Basically, as those numbers increase or have been increasing, we've been trying to do some accommodation."

Other communities are facing similar issues. When Hillsborough County Schools in Florida in 2005 considered ending all days off for religious holidays instead of adding Muslim holidays, the district received more than 3,500 critical e-mails from around the country.

"As schools are getting more diverse, this kind of thing is happening," said Bruce Gelle, the director of Religion and Public Education Resource Center at California State University, Chico.

The controversy in Oak Lawn began when Elizabeth Zahdan, a PTA member with three children in the district, wanted to hang lights featuring crescent moons and stars -- symbols commonly associated with Islam. She'd hung Christmas and Halloween decorations in the past, so thought it was only fair.

"They were misinformed about what was happening in the classroom, they thought they were teaching religion there," said Salma Alramli, a parent with four children in the school district. "People are afraid. It's fearful for them to know that their communities or their schools have to incorporate Ramadan."

When the school board then talked of banning all holiday celebrations, things turned nasty.

Alramli, who immigrated to the Chicago area 37 years ago when she was 2, said she heard other parents utter ethnic slurs she hadn't heard since she was a child.

As the debate continued over weeks, mostly during Ramadan, blame for unrelated issues was pinned on Zahdan -- even the district's earlier decision to remove pork from the menus. Smyth said it was a cost-saving move for the cash-strapped district that has had to cut music, and had nothing to do with Islam.

Zahdan claims another parent threatened her with violence during the holiday controversy. She did not file a police report, but instead asked the Chicago branch of the Council of American and Islamic Relations to talk to the school and community about Islam.

"This hatred will continue on and on. So I want people to be educated," Zahdan said. "Ramadan is associated with giving, charity ... and caring for the community, being a good citizen. It's not different from Christmas or the concept behind Easter."

Muslim students at Harnew, where halls have Christmas and Ramadan posters, seem to know or care little about the controversy. None of the 20 students fasting on a recent day said they had difficulty with other students.

"Some people ask me if it's similar to Christmas," 10-year-old Ezalden Khater said. "I say we don't have a Christmas tree, but it feels like a Thanksgiving feast every time we break our fasts."

But teachers and principals are grappling with how to heal the rift -- and celebrate the Muslim holiday without violating laws.

"With Christmas, it's very easy to secularize. Santa? Secular. Snowmen? Secular. Ramadan is tricky," said Lisa Soronen, a senior staff attorney with the National School Board Association. "This is about humans trying to kind of meet in the middle and come up with solutions that meet the needs of the community."

Mothers of Muslim students at Harnew have planned an after-school party for all kids to celebrate Eid al-Fitr, a festival marking the end of fasting that Muslims will celebrate in the coming days.

A third grade teacher at Harnew wants to put together a lesson on Ramadan by incorporating science and the cycles of the moon.

And in the past week, school officials met with leaders of The Mosque Foundation in neighboring suburban Bridgeview.

"We feel this is one of the major issues we need to deal with," said Imam Kifah Mustapha. "How can we diffuse this tension for the long-term?"
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I wonder what they're all getting so upset about. They obviously don't know that history repeats itself. What they did to this land and those that were in it previously, will be done to them in turn also.
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I wonder what they're all getting so upset about. They obviously don't know that history repeats itself. What they did to this land and those that were in it previously, will be done to them in turn also.
well oak lawn isnt like the city of chicago, its a lilly white suburb just a few miles south of the chicago city limits. so there really isnt much diversity there. and usually these sort of problems have been occuring in these lilly white suburbs versus the city, were we have plenty of political muscle and power in the mayor's office and with some pretty powerful city alderman's on the city council. in the suburbs things are waaay different.

i think the issue has to do with the fact that religion has to be seperate from the schools, since its a government institution and the constitution states that there must be seperation of church and state. i think the way to get around that is with displays of the moon and the star, which is not religious in nature, but simply symbols often associated with islam. the cross, or the menora, for example are religious symbols since they are considered holy by christians and jews. the crescent moon and star is not considered holy by muslims and simply is just a symbol used for identification only. another thing would be, that they can serve iftar without invoking anything religious to it, simply serve the meal around sunset and whowever chooses to start eating right away, or wait till sunset is a personal option without invoking anything religious outloud. that way you are not violating the constitution of the united states.
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Dude this isn't just about some kids in school and their parents.

Broaden your scope a bit. This isn't just about religion in schools. This is about a creeping change in America's character that will increasingly affect many other issues such as business, politics, finance, family life, the public and private sector and so on, in the coming generations.

For a long time everyone had the assumption that America was a Christian, or Judeo-Christian nation, even though no such specification exists in the Constitution. Simply because the majority of the inhabitants practiced one branch or another of the Christian faith, and even though this majority has been here for a relatively short time - 200-odd years at best. Before that, America wasn't a nation to speak of, and who knows what the natives used to call it.

Whatever. The fact is, Christian settlers came, multiplied and changed the facts on the ground, and now history is repeating itself with different groups of people or ethnicities spreading in America. Hispanics are one, Muslims are another.

Why else do you think they call us the Fifth Column?
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Dude this isn't just about some kids in school and their parents.

Broaden your scope a bit. This isn't just about religion in schools. This is about a creeping change in America's character that will increasingly affect many other issues such as business, politics, finance, family life, the public and private sector and so on, in the coming generations.

For a long time everyone had the assumption that America was a Christian, or Judeo-Christian nation, even though no such specification exists in the Constitution. Simply because the majority of the inhabitants practiced one branch or another of the Christian faith, and even though this majority has been here for a relatively short time - 200-odd years at best. Before that, America wasn't a nation to speak of, and who knows what the natives used to call it.

Whatever. The fact is, Christian settlers came, multiplied and changed the facts on the ground, and now history is repeating itself with different groups of people or ethnicities spreading in America. Hispanics are one, Muslims are another.

Why else do you think they call us the Fifth Column?
that's an interesting take, but i do support the seperation of church and state. we or our children shouldnt have to be forced to read the bible in school. of course we shouldnt impose our religion on other people too. but like i said, we dont have these problems in the city or in the city schools, these problems are occuring in the republican lily white suburbs. in the city of chicago itself, especially along the liberal lakefront of the northside, there is huge diversity, to a point even homo's live there haha. but in the republican lily white suburbs we have been having alot of problems. for example, they are building a new mosque on a suburb just north of chicago, on private land already owned by a islamic school run by one of the biggest mosques in the city of chicago. the local residents trired to stop the construction of this mosque and fought it in court to prevent a minar from being built because it 'obstructs thier view' and all this other nonsense. needless to say they lost the case but it shows how they act like in the suburbs.

and mind you were not some backwater hillbilly state. IL has the second largest Muslim population in america, standing at over 700,000 and the desi population in Chicago is only 100,000. throughout the state of IL, just Indians alone, not pakis, not bangladeshis, just Indians, stand at 100,000. from chicago to as far south as east st.louis. Chicago itself has THE LARGEST AFRICAN-AMERICAN MUSLIM COMMUNITY in america!
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Yes, I know the difference between urban and suburban people, we have the same challenges here in the Toronto which are just like the challenges faced by any other metropolitan area in North America.

I don't care about separation of church and state either - if they want to have it, sure that's fine with me.

As far as imposing our religion on anyone - that would mean we're telling them to become Muslim - I don't see anyone doing that here. All we're doing is telling them that our cultural / religious practices deserve just as much accommodation as those of other faiths and cultures.
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for example, they are building a new mosque on a suburb just north of chicago, on private land already owned by a islamic school run by one of the biggest mosques in the city of chicago. the local residents trired to stop the construction of this mosque and fought it in court to prevent a minar from being built because it 'obstructs thier view' and all this other nonsense. needless to say they lost the case but it shows how they act like in the suburbs.
yeah..wasnt the land just sitting there and when the muslims tried to build a masjid, the whites got really mad about it and started coming up with ideas to use the land for something else. or was this some other masjid..?

its obvious that the non-muslims would get pissed about this. but they dont have the right too. all over the US holidays are given for easter, christmas, etc disguised under the name of "spring and winter vacation" we all know its not spring and winter vacation. and now when people want a few days off for ramadan, where kids actually do get tired and arent able to function (lack of better word) properly due to fasting, they get all mad about it? i mean, whats the use of giving a three week vacation, when christmas is only a day (arguably two days) long? and they cant take a week out of that vacation and give a week to the muslim students who are fasting, and actually need it? thats bs.
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Yes, I know the difference between urban and suburban people, we have the same challenges here in the Toronto which are just like the challenges faced by any other metropolitan area in North America.

I don't care about separation of church and state either - if they want to have it, sure that's fine with me.

As far as imposing our religion on anyone - that would mean we're telling them to become Muslim - I don't see anyone doing that here. All we're doing is telling them that our cultural / religious practices deserve just as much accommodation as those of other faiths and cultures.
your absolutly right, as long as the iftar is served, after school hours, and there is no dua or anything like that involved, and whoever chooses to eat right away, and whoever chooses to wait till sunset to start eating, then technically we are not violating the constitution.
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yeah..wasnt the land just sitting there and when the muslims tried to build a masjid, the whites got really mad about it and started coming up with ideas to use the land for something else. or was this some other masjid..?

its obvious that the non-muslims would get pissed about this. but they dont have the right too. all over the US holidays are given for easter, christmas, etc disguised under the name of "spring and winter vacation" we all know its not spring and winter vacation. and now when people want a few days off for ramadan, where kids actually do get tired and arent able to function (lack of better word) properly due to fasting, they get all mad about it? i mean, whats the use of giving a three week vacation, when christmas is only a day (arguably two days) long? and they cant take a week out of that vacation and give a week to the muslim students who are fasting, and actually need it? thats bs.
lol hey you gotta suck it in, i mean i did! i went to gym class and everything while fasting on roza when i was in high school!

and yes the land im talking about is the MEC school in morton grove. the land is owned by the school, which is owned by MCC. back in 1989 when mcc first bought the school there was a big fight over that as well. they wouldnt stand that a islamic school was to be made over there.
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