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Iraqi youth fear departure of U.S. troops

From Aneesh Raman
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. troops should stay in Iraq to keep ethnic violence from spiraling out of control, but they shouldn't stay too long, according to a panel of Iraqi youth convened by CNN.

"Leave, but not now," said Mohamed Ibrahim, a 22-year-old medical student who lives in Baghdad.

"If American soldiers leave Iraq now it will be more, more dangerous for us," said Karrar Sabih, 21, a fellow medical student. One of his three brothers was killed by insurgents south of Baghdad in 2004.

These are opinions one hears often in Iraq. Many Iraqis are uncomfortable with foreign troops on their soil but aware that without them the country could descend deeper into sectarian warfare.
Mohamed and Karrar were joined in this CNN-sponsored roundtable discussion by three other young Iraqis -- Woroud Abdul Kareem, her brother Ali Abdul Kareem and Mais Abdulla. The group ranged in age from 14 to 24 and included a ninth-grader, a police academy cadet, a lawyer and two medical students.

They came from different parts of Baghdad to talk about what they think about their lives, the presence of U.S. troops and Iraq's future. Many of the questions they answered were posed by Americans who sent e-mails and videos in response to a CNN I-Report request last week.

"How do you see this war in Iraq ending? And what are you and your friends and family doing to help that come true? As you know, we have lots of soldiers over there risking their lives and dying so that you can live in a freer country," asked Matthew Rankow, a student at George Washington University in Washington.

"About the Americans that die here. I'm sorry for them," replied 14-year-old Woroud. "Everybody dies here. Iraqis die, and everybody dies. It's really painful for their families but the thing that has to end, what we need is more safety."
Woroud's father, a government employee, was shot by insurgents last year. He survived, but Woroud was shaken.

"That was really painful," she said. "I got hurt on that one. I was in sixth grade. It was really painful."

Mohamed, the medical student, said Iraqis will never forget the sacrifice U.S. troops have made.

"I'm sure every wife gives her husband to fight here. Every mother gives her son to fight here. Every kid his father to fight here. So the U.S. already help us and we can never forget that."

Mohammed has five brothers and two sisters. He's the only one of them still in Baghdad. He stays to take care of his parents. Two of his brothers were kidnapped two years ago and the family had to pay to get them free. So he knows the best and worst today's Iraq has to offer.

For him, the end of this war isn't about a simple timeline.

"Everything has an end. But the problem is when and who will make the difference? Some say we need 20 years. We have time. If we die, the next generation will come. We have lots of time. But we need good people, not only time. Time will do nothing for us without the right people."

None of the young people gathered for this discussion had faith in their political leaders. When asked directly if they thought a single Iraqi politician was working in the best interests of their country, they said, "No."
This brought us to a question Michelle, an American, had sent: "What is the solution to end the fighting and the violence?"

"Michelle, that is the question of all Iraqi people," Mohammed responded. "As an Iraqi, I can't answer. I can only ask the question to everyone that can answer."

The roundtable discussion wasn't all politics and security. We also wanted to know about the Iraqis' daily lives -- what they do for fun.

Mais, 24, took a second to think. She lives in Baghdad with her parents, sister and brother. Her father was shot in the head in 2005 by U.S. soldiers. As a female lawyer, she is quite independent, but the limits of her life in Iraq are clear.

"In the beginning, after the war, I had to stay in my house because I couldn't go out. There were dangers for girls like kidnapping and raping and all these things. So I would sit in my house. Sometimes I will go to a friend's house."
But after describing a lifestyle that would be suffocating for many, she said her country's sense of humor keeps her going.

"Our Iraqi society, they are laughing all the time. We have a sense of humor," she said. "Even amid all this ... Sometimes we laugh about the dangers. We find it a way of escape."

The discussion ended with each Iraqi describing one thing they wanted the world to know about their daily life.

"Dangerous. Surely dangerous," Mohammed said. "The danger is in everything we do. If we go out, if we go home, if we go to work, if you go to study, if you go to friends, everything is dangerous. When you go out from your home you don't know surely if you will come back safely or not."

For Mais it was about the future.

"We can say hope and faith. Hope that the situation will end some day and faith that our politicians will forget their different opinions and unite in their work."

Woroud said she and her friends are trying as much as possible to live a normal life.

"I'm 14 years old. I don't feel the same way adults do. I just want the world to know that I'm trying to live a normal life and my friends are, too. We're just trying to go about our lives without being afraid of being scared. We're just trying to live a normal life."

CNN's Mohammed Tawfeeq contributed to this report.
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Are these the youth that happen to live in the "GREEN ZONE"??
Or are they the young sons of Maliki and the rest of the cabinet?
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Are these the youth that happen to live in the "GREEN ZONE"??
Or are they the young sons of Maliki and the rest of the cabinet?
Masha'Allah. Anytime anyone has an opinion or viewpoint different from yours, they're automatically dismissed as part of some larger conspiracy. Believe it or not, this mentality is prevalent amongst the Iraqi people. They have no bloodlust or vengenance to fulfill. And you cannot deny the vast majority of suicide bombings and attacks from insurgents have resulted in Muslim Iraqi deaths more than anything else. Just as American media has the capacity to rose-tint and propagate, so too do the so-called Mujahideen bend and sensationalize the truth to capitalize on raw emotion.
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Masha'Allah. Anytime anyone has an opinion or viewpoint different from yours, they're automatically dismissed as part of some larger conspiracy. Believe it or not, this mentality is prevalent amongst the Iraqi people. They have no bloodlust or vengenance to fulfill. And you cannot deny the vast majority of suicide bombings and attacks from insurgents have resulted in Muslim Iraqi deaths more than anything else. Just as American media has the capacity to rose-tint and propagate, so too do the so-called Mujahideen bend and sensationalize the truth to capitalize on raw emotion.
Nice post. Unfortunately, people believe what they want to believe rather than keep an open mind.

This isn't to say I believe this article or anything about it. For all we know, these could be actors (I don't think that, but anything is possible.) I certainly don't trust the government or corporate powers-that-be to give it to me straight.

Today it's almost impossible to trust any information source due to inaccuracies, agendas, and personal bias. Rather than disseminating unaltered information (as true news should be) most sources of "information" these days are one-sided colllections of facts and opinions designed to further some agenda, sell newspapers, and evoke knee-jerk emotional reactions.

But that's our own fault as much as anything else. We WANT to read about content that supports our side....not something that might possibly imply that we could be wrong in some respect.

"Fair and balanced?" Give me a break....we don't want fair and balanced. We want one-sided, emotional rants that validate our points of view and make us feel better about ourselves. The reason the media feeds us this crap is very simple:

THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

Shahnawaz will likely maintain his beliefs and opinions (without much change) until the day he dies. Others will devoutly maintain the strict belief that the American forces are doing good over there (although we have seen in many cases they are not.)

So is there truth to this article? Who knows? Depends on whom you ask....All I can say with a fair amount of certainty is that most people would rather die than adopt or even consider an alternative point of view on anything.
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Puzzling. Troops aren't trained to police countries. With little to none cultural or religious understanding, I fail to see how the presence of foreign soldiers walking around your hometown is more secure than lets say a militia. It seems every government in Iraq we try to empower just crumbles because of no local support, why not just get out and let the locals deal with it themselves. Instead of building from the top down, it needs to start from the locals which to me it seems like are being repressed...
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Puzzling. Troops aren't trained to police countries. With little to none cultural or religious understanding, I fail to see how the presence of foreign soldiers walking around your hometown is more secure than lets say a militia.
Yeh, the Americans aren't really geard towards this kind of stuff, and from the looks of it at this point, the people their scraping up to put on the ground would have a tough time counting to 10 let alone understanding cultural or religious subtleties. One of many reasons they shouldn't be there at all. But, the problem with the militia thing... it's probably alright if it's your militia, but if it's someone elses militia that has rolled in, it's probably not going to end so well.
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Masha'Allah. Anytime anyone has an opinion or viewpoint different from yours, they're automatically dismissed as part of some larger conspiracy. Believe it or not, this mentality is prevalent amongst the Iraqi people. They have no bloodlust or vengenance to fulfill. And you cannot deny the vast majority of suicide bombings and attacks from insurgents have resulted in Muslim Iraqi deaths more than anything else. Just as American media has the capacity to rose-tint and propagate, so too do the so-called Mujahideen bend and sensationalize the truth to capitalize on raw emotion.
Freedom? Is this the price?

Bad Apples right? That's what Bush said wasn't it?

I don't need to explain myself for my dislike of Kuffar who have attacked , destroyed, plundered and brutalised a country. The burden of proof is upon idiots who espouse the "opinions" that you do.
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Masha'Allah. Anytime anyone has an opinion or viewpoint different from yours, they're automatically dismissed as part of some larger conspiracy. Believe it or not, this mentality is prevalent amongst the Iraqi people. They have no bloodlust or vengenance to fulfill. And you cannot deny the vast majority of suicide bombings and attacks from insurgents have resulted in Muslim Iraqi deaths more than anything else. Just as American media has the capacity to rose-tint and propagate, so too do the so-called Mujahideen bend and sensationalize the truth to capitalize on raw emotion.
Oh and heres some Western sources ( as you seem to distrust Muslim ones) which run contrary to your "beloved America" theory.
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Is this article for real? All the other recent reports seem to be suggesting the exact opposite - i.e. the vast majority of Iraqis want the US troops out, now.

Either they've made a major discovery of thousands of people who have changed their mind since Wednesday, which is quite an achievement. Oh, these silly Iraqis. What would they do without our guiding help, eh?
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Is this article for real? All the other recent reports seem to be suggesting the exact opposite - i.e. the vast majority of Iraqis want the US troops out, now.

Either they've made a major discovery of thousands of people who have changed their mind since Wednesday, which is quite an achievement. Oh, these silly Iraqis. What would they do without our guiding help, eh?
Well one thing for sure if the troops leave now they will have complete freedom to kill each other, Wow a religion of peace, sure is, as looking around the world confirms
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Well one thing for sure if the troops leave now they will have complete freedom to kill each other, Wow a religion of peace, sure is, as looking around the world confirms
Newsflash: They already have complete freedom to kill each other, that's why they're able to do it and get away with it, and it didn't start because of Islam, it started because of the US invasion and occupation.
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Newsflash: They already have complete freedom to kill each other, that's why they're able to do it and get away with it, and it didn't start because of Islam, it started because of the US invasion and occupation.
So you claim that these poor guys just can't resist killing each other. Man just wait and see how they will increase their activities, if and when the troops leave
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