[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by roberto

Your confused, you are putting the cart before the horse, the anarchy is the result of the killings and destruction waged by Sunnis and Shira as they fight each other and the insurgence who are seeking anarchy

No, there is anarchy, because the occupation forces took down Saddam. With Saddam gone, everyone started fighting over who gets the "pie", since everyone started to have their own ideas about Iraq, and no one was willing to accept one contrary to what they wanted.

The presence of troops has prevented all out civil war and of late, as a result of the surge, they have increase their control and reduce the number of incidents.

Officially, but we all know how much worse things are, than they would like to say. It's hard for the media to make an accurate report on Iraq, when they're allowed in certain areas. Everything else is based on eye-witness testimony.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by Shahnawaz

What the hell are some of you on. Whatever it is, I would ask you to stop, atleast for Ramadhan.
Incase you have not noticed, there is a "civil war" ongoing as we speak. Bodies turn in Baghdad EVERYDAY. 2/3 of Baghdad have been usurped by malitias, and communities are divided strictly down secterian lines.

I ask, WHAT IS THE US EXACTLY PREVENTING???
The only thing it is succesfully carrying out is its perpetuation, because if the power struggle occured unhindered, it will eventually end with a victor. What we have now is a perpetuation of the war in order to bleed both parties to death, so at the end of it there are no strong parties left.

Some of you seriously relveal your insincerity when you espouse this garbage.

So if people have a different view from you they are insincere

[roberto]

[quote=Kaminyu;14508]

No, there is anarchy, because the occupation forces took down Saddam. With Saddam gone, everyone started fighting over who gets the "pie", since everyone started to have their own ideas about Iraq, and no one was willing to accept one contrary to what they wanted.

What twisted logic.

Officially, but we all know how much worse things are, than they would like to say. It's hard for the media to make an accurate report on Iraq, when they're allowed in certain areas. Everything else is based on eye-witness testimony

So you just do not believe that thousands of extra troops have made a difference, every one else is lying

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by roberto

What twisted logic.

Well, let's see, they weren't fighting like this when Saddam was in power. When Saddam is removed from power, they are. Why do you suppose that is?

So you just do not believe that thousands of extra troops have made a difference, every one else is lying

Of course they're lying. Either they're lying, or not telling the whole story. Thousands of extra troops cannot make much of a difference, when you're fighting a guerrilla war. "Security contractors" (Mercenaries) would probably make more of a difference.

[roberto]

history of iraq
[quote=Kaminyu;14871]

Well, let's see, they weren't fighting like this when Saddam was in power. When Saddam is removed from power, they are. Why do you suppose that is?

Anarchy is the break down of law and order, this has resulted from infighting between religious groups and in part by activities insurgences both activities have a direct link to conflict within Islam.

The removal of Saddam did not necessitate these rival groups killing each other, since we have as an alternative to Saddam in the form of an Iraq democratically elected government

Regretably it would appear that Islam and democracy is an unstable combination , hence as we see world wide, they are ruled by dictatorships

Of course they're lying. Either they're lying, or not telling the whole story. Thousands of extra troops cannot make much of a difference, when you're fighting a guerrilla war. "Security contractors" (Mercenaries) would probably make more of a difference.[/

Don't be silly

[Songbird]

Originally Posted by roberto

Anarchy is the break down of law and order, this has resulted from infighting between religious groups and in part by activities insurgences both activities have a direct link to conflict within Islam.

Can someone translate this sentence for me?

Roberto can you make your posts even slightly comprehensible? For me at least?

Oh and if you're going to quote someone, then at least answer the question for God sake.

[roberto]

[quote=Songbird;14879]Can someone translate this sentence for me?

Roberto can you make your posts even slightly comprehensible? For me at least?

Only one question , two question marks

Go back and read the earlier post, if you’re still bemused , leave and join a kiddie's forum.

Oh and if you're going to quote someone, then at least answer the question for God sake

The "for God sake" should have been between the "then" and the "at" i.e.

"Oh and if you're going to quote someone, then, for God sake, at least answer the question " .But then only petty minded dopes bother about English on a forum

BTW, smarty, which God?

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by roberto

BTW, smarty, which God?

There's only one God.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by roberto

Anarchy is the break down of law and order, this has resulted from infighting between religious groups and in part by activities insurgences both activities have a direct link to conflict within Islam.

Infighting between religious groups, again, proves nothing, since such a thing can be expected with anarchy, and has no direct link to Islam. It's direct link is to human nature. It's just people who seek power and authority in Iraq, and they play whatever cards they feel are advantageous.

The removal of Saddam did not necessitate these rival groups killing each other, since we have as an alternative to Saddam in the form of an Iraq democratically elected government

... which is collapsing, because no one likes it. This is strange, since a government that is democratically elected, should (by definition) be what most Iraqis who voted, actually wanted. So, either the election itself was rigged, or most Iraqis just didn't participate in it. It may also be that none of the options were favorable to them.

The "democratically elected government" is a lie, and the Iraqis know it, that's why they reject it, and that's why it is collapsing. It's the same lie Bush I said about the US Panama invasion back in 1989-1990, that it was to "make it safe for democracy", when in fact it had nothing to do with democracy at all, just about US government interests.

Regretably it would appear that Islam and democracy is an unstable combination , hence as we see world wide, they are ruled by dictatorships

What nonsense. Is it a coincidence that these dictatorships all just happen to be west-friendly? The only reason they're able to sustain themselves, is only because of western forces.

Also, with this flawed logic, what does that say about Judaism's compatibility with democracy, with Israel's racism and apartheid?

Don't be silly

The surge is a failure, with a death toll of US troops and Iraqi civilians mounting, and several wars in Iraq going on simultaneously, I don't see those "thousands of extra troops" making much of a difference.

[Ilikemyscarf]

[quote=roberto;15173]

Originally Posted by Songbird

Can someone translate this sentence for me?



Only one question , two question marks

Go back and read the earlier post, if you’re still bemused , leave and join a kiddie's forum.



The "for God sake" should have been between the "then" and the "at" i.e.

"Oh and if you're going to quote someone, then, for God sake, at least answer the question " .But then only petty minded dopes bother about English on a forum

BTW, smarty, which God?

LEARN TO QUOTE CORRECTLY!!!!!!

[Songbird]

Originally Posted by roberto

Can someone translate this sentence for me?



Only one question , two question marks

Go back and read the earlier post, if you’re still bemused , leave and join a kiddie's forum.



The "for God sake" should have been between the "then" and the "at" i.e.

"Oh and if you're going to quote someone, then, for God sake, at least answer the question " .But then only petty minded dopes bother about English on a forum

BTW, smarty, which God?

Lol, can someone please tell me the point of this post?

Oh, and Roberto, when they were offering punctuation classes at school, where exactly were you?

And smarty, there should be no space between a word and a comma.

[nooni]

it doesnt really matter how someone writes online on a public forum (using correct spelling, commas, periods, etc.). the topic was about iraqis, its now abt something not relevant.

[Shahnawaz]

Originally Posted by nooni

it doesnt really matter how someone writes online on a public forum (using correct spelling, commas, periods, etc.). the topic was about iraqis, its now abt something not relevant.

Tell that to the idiot, Robertoe. He seems to think his overall stupidity is compensated by giving online grammer classes.

[Ilikemyscarf]

Originally Posted by nooni

it doesnt really matter how someone writes online on a public forum (using correct spelling, commas, periods, etc.). the topic was about iraqis, its now abt something not relevant.

It's really annoying.