[shadha]

Lol, oki.


shadha-

[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

About heba's post, sure people argue, but it's more a matter of arguing whether it's allowed but disliked or some such. I personally think it's disgusting, but I haven't read anywhere that it's outright haram.

Your ulamas have invented the term "disliked". You cannot go around placing religious labels like " disliked" on things you personally dislike.

Your ulamas dont have any right placing these labels on things they disliked and thought all Muslims should dislike. I am afraid true religion does not work like that.

[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by shadha

Some would argue that it shouldn't be done at all.

Because they feel they are in religious authority, they think they have the right to brand everything halal/haram/disliked. They then impose it on their blind followers.

The importance of adhering to the Qur'an alone is all too aparent from this thread.

[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by heba

i didnt read all of the posts in the thread (i got extremely annoyed by some of you so i stopped)

and i dont care how immature or vulgar i sound, but those that are firmly believe you shouldnt look at your spouses privates are absolutely ridiculous. this is why i have so much trouble with islam these days.

and i dont care if im coming off as a feminist, but this whole not looking thing reduces the pleasure a woman can have during intercourse. men always (or almost always) orgasm during intercourse, WOMEN DO NOT. most women only get pleasure from oral sex, which cant really be done with your eyes closed? how fair is that?

stupid thread. reading crap like this is why i rarely EVER come here anymore. you all suck.

Ramadan kareem by the way

Islam is not based on its clergy, but on the Qur'an only. Please do not doubt the Qur'an being the words of Allah because of teachings that come from clergy. If it is not prohibitted in the Qur'an, then Allah has not prohibitted it.

peace.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by shadha

Chotoo: The only thing controversial about ameens post was the statement that it's the only prohibition mentioned in the Quran. There is another implied prohibition, but you have to really understand linguistics to get that one. If he thinks the other thing is allowed, then that's totally gross too, and I would say he's a pervert. Nasty

Setting aside personal views, yours and mine, why is it that sex during a woman's menses was clearly prohibited in the Qur'an but anal sex, something that is gravely loathed by Muslims, was not? Instead the alleged prohibition of it is not specific but solely "implied"?

Don't call me a pervert, I'm just asking.

Musashi: Women can get pleasure from something besides oral sex, but most normal woman can't derive much physical pleasure from the vagina.

I'm confused, lol.


shadha-

Anal sex

Well, anal sex is prohibited. Sodomy (anal sex) is not allowed, and the verses relating to sex can only mean regular vaginal intercourse, becuase that's the only way to get a woman pregnant. Even if Shia's say it's disliked, clearly they admit that there is some prohibition against it. It's one of those things, like the Quran doesn't specifically command women to cover their heads, there is no verse that says "cover your head" what it DOES say is use your headcovers to cover your chest and adornments. That's a pretty darn good implication right there that you have to cover your head. Of course, there are people out there like ameen and ace of hearts who refuse to admit the implication, so naturally they will refuse to admit the implication against anal sex as well, I find that logic totally twisted, but there's nothing I can do about it.

oral sex groses me out becuase of the extremely high chance that you will come i contact with najas. To me that's just gross. What prohibited in oral sex is consuming the najas. You can't consume alcohol, or pork, because they are unclean, so naturally you can't consume another persons sexual fluids, which are also unclean. I bet ameen and ace of hearts will dispute that one too.

[AceOfHearts]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

oral sex groses me out becuase of the extremely high chance that you will come i contact with najas. To me that's just gross. What prohibited in oral sex is consuming the najas. You can't consume alcohol, or pork, because they are unclean, so naturally you can't consume another persons sexual fluids, which are also unclean. I bet ameen and ace of hearts will dispute that one too.

peace,

You said:

"oral sex grosses me out."

That is pretty much the end of story I'd say. What you said from there on is simply an attempt at justifying your extreme dislike of it.

Alcohol and pork are outright prohibitted food items in the Qur'an. Therefore, you cannot use them in your analogy.

You cannot place religious prohibition/dislike on something for everyone you yourself personally dislike.

[Khairan]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

Non-muslims can live moral lives in the sense they can be sexually degenerate, help people across the streets and give starving kids iPods. But that doesn't mean they are moral in the islamic sense. If that was the case, what would be the point in becoming a Muslim?

What would the point be indeed?

I think you're looking at it backwards. Calling oneself muslim is not for the sake of getting special privileges or forgiveness from God. Indeed, I think in some ways it makes things harder because we have taken a covenant that we will follow those commandments God has given muslims and further believe that we are sinning by not doing so. I think "the point of becoming a muslim" is that you sincerely (there's that word again) believe it is the best way to please God and to be a true servant to your Creator. Other people, who do not share this belief, can still do things that are "moral in an islamic sense" like help people in need, give to charity, be kind to others, and any number of other things. The earlier contention here was that non-muslims somehow *can't* do these things because their morality is so completely different from ours. Of course, such a contention is completely unsupported by reality.

[AceOfHearts]

More problems with Chotoomotoo's post. Heres the deal, we will not say something other than the truth about the Qur'an. If we do not find a prohibition in the Qur'an, then we will not go around calling it prohibitted.

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Well, anal sex is prohibited. Sodomy (anal sex) is not allowed, and the verses relating to sex can only mean regular vaginal intercourse, becuase that's the only way to get a woman pregnant.

No. 1) Since you seem to have Qur'anic Verses, please provide reference showing that anal sex between husband and wife is prohibitted.

No. 2) Sex is not just about intercourse as you assume it to be in an attempt to back your argument.

We seek to uphold Allah's Book, and do not look to say this is prohibitted and that is allowed without evidence from our Lord's Book:

“Do not say falsely, ‘That is lawful and that is forbidden,’ inventing a lie about God: those who invent lies about God will not prosper - they may have a little enjoyment, but a painful punishment awaits them.” [Qur’an 16:116-117]

[MuslimZ]

Originally Posted by AceOfHearts

“Do not say falsely, ‘That is lawful and that is forbidden,’ inventing a lie about God: those who invent lies about God will not prosper - they may have a little enjoyment, but a painful punishment awaits them.” [Qur’an 16:116-117]

This goes both ways .

[Variable]

Wow... this thread has taken a turn for the risque.

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Anal sex

Well, anal sex is prohibited. Sodomy (anal sex) is not allowed, and the verses relating to sex can only mean regular vaginal intercourse, becuase that's the only way to get a woman pregnant. Even if Shia's say it's disliked, clearly they admit that there is some prohibition against it. It's one of those things, like the Quran doesn't specifically command women to cover their heads, there is no verse that says "cover your head" what it DOES say is use your headcovers to cover your chest and adornments. That's a pretty darn good implication right there that you have to cover your head. Of course, there are people out there like ameen and ace of hearts who refuse to admit the implication, so naturally they will refuse to admit the implication against anal sex as well, I find that logic totally twisted, but there's nothing I can do about it.

oral sex groses me out becuase of the extremely high chance that you will come i contact with najas. To me that's just gross. What prohibited in oral sex is consuming the najas. You can't consume alcohol, or pork, because they are unclean, so naturally you can't consume another persons sexual fluids, which are also unclean. I bet ameen and ace of hearts will dispute that one too.

what's najas? Is it like, poo or pee or something?

[MuslimZ]

Originally Posted by Variable

what's najas? Is it like, poo or pee or something?

Najas is impurity. It includes most bodily fluids (and yes excrement). Najas on your clothes/body invalidates your wudu (ablution) and is forbidden from consumption.

[Jamroll]

Is it just me or are we in the middle of Ramadhan?

[zzze]

asslaamu alaykum

just you. we are, infact, in the middle of haraam!

[Jamroll]

Salam,

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