[hershel_krustowski]

Originally Posted by WickedSam

Salaamz

Saw something about sex so I thought I'd drop by. I saw this woman on tv once. She's interesting. I think it's pretty cool. She goes by the Qu'ran and Islam when talking about sexual relations between a married couple.

I don't think it's something to be embarrassed about. People should know what to expect and stuff. From what I've heard, sex is 50% of a marriage and is argued about and whatnot. I think it should be studied and discussed from an Islamic viewpoint. Many people only learn the Western philosophies and viewpoint of sex, and that does cause a lot of marital discord. Perhaps, it would do us good to learn what Islam has to say about it.

Wasalaamzzzz

Two of the most imporant things that (most importantly) i agree with.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by WarriorAndWiseman

Well what can you do? Barring a few, her refined, analytical view on proper sex etiquettes would fail to permeate peoples libidos.

How horribly sad. Maybe if we educate them enough, show them enough pictures of propper sexual etiquitte and practices, those libido's would just disapear. Right? Abolition of libido should be the goal of any civilized society right? Marriage is a duty to your spouse for procreation purposes only, excessive sex (for purposes other than procreation) is a sin. (at least that's why my parents believed, and their marriage was so happy it ended in divorce)

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by PhDGirl

That's because they're desi and prefer to pretend it doesn't exist .

Back to the original article, I think one reason she has the callin show is because people might be too shy to go and see her in her office or might not be able to afford it. So, she can provide an anonymous mechanism to answer questions while providing general education at the same time.

You know, I have to agree with you here. I think the fact that it is anonymous gives people the confidence to listen in, and the radio also provides an opportunity for people to hear others who may be experiencing the same difficulties they may be having. It sounds more educational than titillating. Perhaps the biggest objection in some people's minds is the fact that it is a woman hosting the show.

There are a number of places on the web that give sex advice from an Islamic perspective that may be of interest.

Sex in Islam Its Role and Purpose

Sex and Islam

Zawaj's Straight Talk about Sex

the last one has a variety of articles posted from diferrent sites.

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by Songbird

Variable, at the end of the day, you're not a Muslim who lives his life in accordance by a set of rules sent down by his Creator, Allah swt.

You live your life in complete antithesis to mine.

You have no qualms with nudity, and that's your prerogative. You probably have no problems either in dating a promiscuous woman, or a woman who has had many sexual partners too.

If you meet a girl you like, it wont matter to you how many sexual partners she's had because unlike me, you're not bound by a set of moral codes. So long as it's all consensual, then all's good right?

It is therefore futile for me to explain to you the significance of Haya in my life, and for millions of other Muslimahs. To you, we're prudes, plain and simple. We don't know how to have sex [because we weren't taught] and this is further 'hampered' or exacerbated because we can't even discuss the topic openly like good ol' Westerners do, right?

You define all this as being antiquated and restricted, but I say, thank Allah for these 'restrictions'.

I don't wish to cause any offense to you - we're both adults [though my friends will attest to my lifelong struggle to avoid such a designation] so we should be able to speak directly from the heart and mind. Without the latter and we are in the realm of superstition. Speech without the former is like a pebble rattling on a dry ground.

I think this is a little too personal and unfounded. There are many assumptions you make about Variable as he is not a Muslim. As someone who has known him online for a while, I cannot fit this picture you have drawn of him with the image I have of him as well as others from his many posts. Not being a Muslim does not mean you are a moral reprobrate. He may not be a Muslim, but that does not mean he is not living his life in accordance with his Creator's guidelines. The Great Spirit is capable of speaking to us all and guiding us on the right path. To state that nudity, promiscuity and bad morals are part and parcel of his personal belief system is quite unfair and not representative of most westerners that I have met. There are many stereotypes that you have alluded to, but in the end they are just that.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

I think this is a little too personal and unfounded. There are many assumptions you make about Variable as he is not a Muslim. As someone who has known him online for a while, I cannot fit this picture you have drawn of him with the image I have of him as well as others from his many posts. Not being a Muslim does not mean you are a moral reprobrate. He may not be a Muslim, but that does not mean he is not living his life in accordance with his Creator's guidelines. The Great Spirit is capable of speaking to us all and guiding us on the right path. To state that nudity, promiscuity and bad morals are part and parcel of his personal belief system is quite unfair and not representative of most westerners that I have met. There are many stereotypes that you have alluded to, but in the end they are just that.

If he is not muslim, then at least the greater part of what she stated is true...

His Life is completely opposite to hers...

He is a kfr man.
She is a muslim woman.

No non-muslim can ever have a concept of Al-Mustaqim...

I do agree on part the generalizations are horrible.

But the misconceptions you've stated just about negate the reason for your post.

[Kona_Silat]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

There are always exceptions.

Whateva, all white girls be gettin it

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

If he is not muslim, then at least the greater part of what she stated is true...

His Life is completely opposite to hers...

He is a kfr man.
She is a muslim woman.

No non-muslim can ever have a concept of Al-Mustaqim...

I do agree on part the generalizations are horrible.

But the misconceptions you've stated just about negate the reason for your post.

You are wrong. There are many so called kfr that have high moral standards. She doesn't know him and made a lot of assumptions as you are. When Muslims all become above moral reproach then they can try lecturing others about their morals. However, the truth is there are moral people all over the world. Being a muslim doesn't automatically qualify you as the opposite is also true. You don't know Variable either from your post.

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by Kona_Silat

Whateva, all white girls be gettin it

This is too ridiculous to respond to, yet here I am.

[shadha]

SAOD: If he is not muslim, then at least the greater part of what she stated is true...
His Life is completely opposite to hers...
He is a kfr man.
She is a muslim woman.
No non-muslim can ever have a concept of Al-Mustaqim...
I do agree on part the generalizations are horrible.
But the misconceptions you've stated just about negate the reason for your post.

You contradicted yourself.

You said in this thread [and another] that generalizations are horrible, however, you claim that the "greater part" of what she said is true- while the overwhelming majority of what she said is nothing but generalizations and accusations against Vari.

I bolded the generalizations and accusations she made:

Songbird: Variable, at the end of the day, you're not a Muslim who lives his life in accordance by a set of rules sent down by his Creator, Allah swt.
You live your life in complete antithesis to mine.
You have no qualms with nudity, and that's your prerogative. You probably have no problems either in dating a promiscuous woman, or a woman who has had many sexual partners too.
If you meet a girl you like, it wont matter to you how many sexual partners she's had because unlike me, you're not bound by a set of moral codes. So long as it's all consensual, then all's good right?
It is therefore futile for me to explain to you the significance of Haya in my life, and for millions of other Muslimahs. To you, we're prudes, plain and simple. We don't know how to have sex [because we weren't taught] and this is further 'hampered' or exacerbated because we can't even discuss the topic openly like good ol' Westerners do, right?
You define all this as being antiquated and restricted, but I say, thank Allah for these 'restrictions'.
I don't wish to cause any offense to you - we're both adults [though my friends will attest to my lifelong struggle to avoid such a designation] so we should be able to speak directly from the heart and mind. Without the latter and we are in the realm of superstition. Speech without the former is like a pebble rattling on a dry ground.

....need I say more? That entire post, along with the rest of her posts in this thread, are the epitome of asinine.


shadha-

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

You are wrong. There are many so called kfr that have high moral standards. She doesn't know him and made a lot of assumptions as you are. When Muslims all become above moral reproach then they can try lecturing others about their morals. However, the truth is there are moral people all over the world. Being a muslim doesn't automatically qualify you as the opposite is also true. You don't know Variable either from your post.

Being a kfr, his morals are different from hers.

This is another thing, ignorance and generalization.
Morals are not the same. They are rarely the same from person to person.
From Group to group they differ entirely.

hence the two groups.
Muslim(Submitter)
KFR(Disbeliever)

The Ideal in question here, Is not Islam [The Submission to Allah(SWT)], it is
"Al Mustaqim", the correct path.

The path of those whom Allah(SWT) has bestowed his grace and mercy.
Not His wrath.

Surah Kafirun

109.001 Say : O ye that reject Faith!
109.002 I worship not that which ye worship,
109.003 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109.004 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
109.005 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109.006 To you be your Way, and to me mine.

[A_Muminah]

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum,

This thread is full of contradictions in itself. It started off pretty good but people killed the original topic.

I pray this thread dies off soon because its nothing but a joke now.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by shadha

You contradicted yourself.

You said in this thread [and another] that generalizations are horrible, however, you claim that the "greater part" of what she said is true- while the overwhelming majority of what she said is nothing but generalizations and accusations against Vari.

....need I say more? That entire post, along with the rest of her posts in this thread, are the epitome of asinine.


shadha-

When I read her post.

I did indeed see generalizations.
I even said generalizations were bad,

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur
If he is not muslim, then at least the greater part of what she stated is true...

His Life is completely opposite to hers...

He is a kfr man.
She is a muslim woman.

No non-muslim can ever have a concept of Al-Mustaqim...

I do agree on part the generalizations are horrible.

But the misconceptions you've stated just about negate the reason for your post.

I even stated there that generalizations were bad, and I never stated any myself.

I only stated fact.
His Morals and Her morals are different because he is
KFR

And she is
MUSLIM

I stated nothing about him because I know only this one thing.


I instead examined the article in question.

"There are many so called kfr that have high moral standards"

According to you?

We do not have the luxury of looking through the world through someone else's eyes.

Please read before yelling 'contradiction'.

As to the greater part, I thought that was obvious.

Her meaning.

[shadha]

She practically accused him of being a sex-obsessed immoral being without an ounce of proof, and you want us to see some hidden meaning behind her post? Yeah, her set of morals are definitely unique and different alright- I can certainly see how high and mighty her morals are.


shadha-