Killing for religion is justified, say third of Muslim students

[roberto]

psychoteddybear said

My question is: what is the ethnic/cultural background of these Muslims who say killing is justified.

From the abrasive abuse contained in the senseless mutterings of Zeinab I would suggest Birmingham.

[roberto]

[QUOTE=Zeinab;192628]

To Roberto : and pray tell me, what will debating with you actually achieve?

Well when you are a little older, a little more mature, you might, just possibly, find out

You're well known on here for the rubbish that you post - do you actually read what you post? Are you able to think critically, that I should waste my time debating with you on matters that you've already made a judgement about.

Well you’re the inadequate person that posted a response, or didn't you know that you did it

Again, another idiotic response

Repetitions of remarks of this type are the jibes of the gutter

[roberto]

LEGALEAGLE said

Its easier if you say Retardo...

Hi Sparrow, what’s up, problems make the office tea?

[roberto]

psychoteddybear said

why stoop to that level.

He's already well below

[roberto]

LEGALEAGLE said

Its because his posts aren't designed to discuss. By debating with him you give an aura of respectability to his hate-fest.

The best way to deal with Retardo's is to ignore or ridicule them.

But Sparrow you can't do either

[roberto]

psychoteddybear said

listen roberto, i got to say i dont really read a lot of your stuff, but i figure if you present stuff in a way that wont have people screaming racist or go away or whatever, you may be able to truly debate/argue with people. if youre only intent on spreading hate re Islam..that's not cool. like it or not, this is an islamic forum...well, to me it's a particular kind of islam in here as well. but don't assume all muslims are violent and mean and narrow minded roberto, not all of us are...you cannot generalize more than a billion people.

I posted an article from a UK news paper, the presentation was not mine. If you and others disagree with the facts presented then refute them, if you think that perhaps at least some are true then take note and act if you think you should.

It is important for both Muslims and non Muslim living in the Uk that there is open discussion of areas of friction.

[roberto]

[QUOTE=Variable;192690]:

Am I making assumptions? For sure, but based on a lot of discussion back and forth I've seen around here. To get real answers, we'd have to see the methodology of the poll... see if there was a higher resolution in the questioning etc

Assumptions yes but they are both reasonable and unavoidable, it's a pity that so many decided that the correct response is to hurl abuse and ridicule.

You maybe interested in this article "Muslim youths taught citizenship to avoid extremism "

Muslim youths taught citizenship to avoid extremism - Telegraph

It indicates that unlike so many on this forum that yhe UK authorities consider there is a situation to be faced up to

[psychoteddybear]

roberto said

I posted an article from a UK news paper, the presentation was not mine. If you and others disagree with the facts presented then refute them, if you think that perhaps at least some are true then take note and act if you think you should.

It is important for both Muslims and non Muslim living in the Uk that there is open discussion of areas of friction.

I agree...there's no problem with that. I'm just wondering if you've done anything to offend these people as I see them hurling insults, or is just the fact that you want to debate about Islam that's annoying them? If that is the case, then that's silly. If people are so secure in their faith, they should be able to defend it comfortably with no issues. Obviously, this is not the case either. However if it is the former...then chill :P

[psychoteddybear]

roberto said

From the abrasive abuse contained in the senseless mutterings of Zeinab I would suggest Birmingham.

Come on......

[Zeinab]

roberto said

I posted an article from a UK news paper, the presentation was not mine. If you and others disagree with the facts presented then refute them, if you think that perhaps at least some are true then take note and act if you think you should.

It is important for both Muslims and non Muslim living in the Uk that there is open discussion of areas of friction.

People are working hard to refute these unfounded statistics - if you'd bothered to post a balanced arguement, then you'd know, but it seems that's asking too much .

Just one example: joint petition by affiliated Islamic Societies and FOSIS:

Joint Statement Between Islamic Societies and FOSIS in Response to Islam on Campus Report Petition

It's disturbing that scare-mongering like this 'report' is taking place, and even more disturbing that educated, British non-Muslims (and some Muslims.. ) are accepting them without thinking critically and what the motive behind such a report may be.

It's not Muslims that are avoiding an honest dialogue.

[sixpakistan]

Although the original poll/article is garbage, here's a question for you, Roberto:

Do you believe killing for state is justified?

[roberto]

psychoteddybear said

I agree...there's no problem with that. I'm just wondering if you've done anything to offend these people as I see them hurling insults, or is just the fact that you want to debate about Islam that's annoying them? If that is the case, then that's silly. If people are so secure in their faith, they should be able to defend it comfortably with no issues. Obviously, this is not the case either. However if it is the former...then chill :P

Not certain what the former is? Guess I’m thick.

What I want further on than just discussion is for the Muslim community to deal with the very small minority amongst them who in addition to being a threat to all, have by their activities and fear of their activities degraded life in the Uk..


Government can only introduce restriction and questionable laws in an attempt to deal with the situation

For the purpose of discussion lets see post that give the other side.Lets hear of activities of groups seeking to improve relations, rather than abuse, .

I note that Zeinab has now move on from pointless attacks to suggesting that my post should be more balance , well maybe she has a point, but she and others should be active in this respect..Zeinab has now presented such a post, thanks, better late than never.


Extremist only flourish when people look the other way.

[sixpakistan]

psychoteddybear said

I agree...there's no problem with that. I'm just wondering if you've done anything to offend these people as I see them hurling insults, or is just the fact that you want to debate about Islam that's annoying them? If that is the case, then that's silly. If people are so secure in their faith, they should be able to defend it comfortably with no issues. Obviously, this is not the case either. However if it is the former...then chill :P

Roberto's MO is to post article after article about anything negative he can find about Muslims, which he thinks somehow proves Muslims are all bad and/or Islam is an evil doctrine which inspires people to violence and backwards thinking.

[roberto]

Zeinab said

People are working hard to refute these unfounded statistics - if you'd bothered to post a balanced arguement, then you'd know, but it seems that's asking too much .

Just one example: joint petition by affiliated Islamic Societies and FOSIS:

Joint Statement Between Islamic Societies and FOSIS in Response to Islam on Campus Report Petition

It's disturbing that scare-mongering like this 'report' is taking place, and even more disturbing that educated, British non-Muslims (and some Muslims.. ) are accepting them without thinking critically and what the motive behind such a report may be.

It's not Muslims that are avoiding an honest dialogue.

Thanks for the example, which I have read. No doubt there are many more, please post as appropriate

Since I am short of time, please read my last post "Posts: 2,153" to psychoteddybear for comment on your points

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Rambo said

most likely radical pakistanis, britian seems to full of them

That is patently untrue. The largest group of Muslims in Britain is Pakistani, so it's more likely that any extremists may come from that group aswell because it's the largest pool. That however does not mean by any stretch of the imagination, that Britain is "full of [radical pakistanis]". Think before you speak rubbish.