[amina9183]

Newsday

this makes me sad I used to make him biryani!! and give him cupcakes!!

it sucks when things happen that feed into the "all maulvis are evil" stereotype...

I almost won the battle with my parents about how all religious people arent bad...and my shaykh isnt talking to me just so he can manipulate me into marrying him...and then stuff like this comes out.

I dont know though...cuz lately ive been having so many horrible experiences with "Deeni" people that I am starting to think maybe my parents are right. Stereotypes must have some truth to them...? i dont want them to be right tho

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by amina9183

Newsday

this makes me sad I used to make him biryani!! and give him cupcakes!!

it sucks when things happen that feed into the "all maulvis are evil" stereotype...

I almost won the battle with my parents about how all religious people arent bad...and my shaykh isnt talking to me just so he can manipulate me into marrying him...and then stuff like this comes out.

I dont know though...cuz lately ive been having so many horrible experiences with "Deeni" people that I am starting to think maybe my parents are right. Stereotypes must have some truth to them...? i dont want them to be right tho

Everyone has faults, flaws, feels temptation. I think we forget that just because someone is seemingly more religious doesn't mean they are above sin. Perhaps the very reason such people go into the clergy (be it Islamic clergy or Catholic clergy) is because they know their faults and hope the clerical career path will help them overcome their faults. Sometimes they do, and other times temptation gets the best of them.

[thejellymill]

Originally Posted by amina9183

I almost won the battle with my parents about how all religious people arent bad...and my shaykh isnt talking to me just so he can manipulate me into marrying him...and then stuff like this comes out.

That's terrible! Imagine if he's ignoring you now what will he do if you give in and make him upset one day for whatever reason. Ugh. People are so childish.

I think it's a coincidence that you are having so many negative experiences...these seem to be childish, cultural or twisted people and every group has some of those. Don't lose your faith in Muslims, there are a lot of wonderful people out there

[amina9183]

Originally Posted by thejellymill

That's terrible! Imagine if he's ignoring you now what will he do if you give in and make him upset one day for whatever reason. Ugh. People are so childish.

huh???

i think u misunderstood what i said. i was saying my parents get upset with me for talking to my shaykh because they think all "maulvis" are corrupt, and that there is no reason for my shaykh to call me and he is slowly brainwashing me and will on day manipulate me into marrying him. This, of course, is totally untrue. But my parents are paranoid.

[thejellymill]

Originally Posted by amina9183

huh???

i think u misunderstood what i said. i was saying my parents get upset with me for talking to my shaykh because they think all "maulvis" are corrupt, and that there is no reason for my shaykh to call me and he is slowly brainwashing me and will on day manipulate me into marrying him. This, of course, is totally untrue. But my parents are paranoid.

Yea I misread, sorry about that .

Unfortunately this stuff happens but just look at how many sexual misconduct charges are being brought out in the open now against the Roman Catholic clergy. There are perverts in every bunch...doesn't make it more acceptable but it also doesn't mean the majority are like that

[roberto]

[quote=ChotooMotoo;190135]

Perhaps the very reason such people go into the clergy (be it Islamic clergy or Catholic clergy) is because they know their faults and hope the clerical career path will help them overcome their faults.

Would it be too cynical to think that some seek opportunity?

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by amina9183

huh???

i think u misunderstood what i said. i was saying my parents get upset with me for talking to my shaykh because they think all "maulvis" are corrupt, and that there is no reason for my shaykh to call me and he is slowly brainwashing me and will on day manipulate me into marrying him. This, of course, is totally untrue. But my parents are paranoid.

I think there's a danger in every situation where there's undue influence.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by roberto

Would it be too cynical to think that some seek opportunity?

I think so. I prefer to think that if they were simply seeking opportunity they would do something far less challenging, like working in child care, or the public school system. To me, if you're choosing a religious career that pays next to nothing and is very demanding spiritually and even physically, you're not doing it for opportunistic reasons. You know what you're doing is wrong, that your urges and desires are wrong and so forth.

I dunno, maybe it's because I grew up in a predominantly Catholic town, but I pity clergy who end up in these sorts of situations.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by amina9183

I dont know though...cuz lately ive been having so many horrible experiences with "Deeni" people that I am starting to think maybe my parents are right. Stereotypes must have some truth to them...? i dont want them to be right tho

It's not that all outwardly religious people are evil. The vast majority are not. It's that people just notice it more when they are evil.

[MossadConspiracy]

A large proportion are extremely hypocritical. I cant estimate a percentage but its very significant. Its unusual for their conduct to match the self righteously pious image they project. When it does, they are the best people in the world.

ws

[amina9183]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

A large proportion are extremely hypocritical. I cant estimate a percentage but its very significant. Its unusual for their conduct to match the self righteously pious image they project. When it does, they are the best people in the world.

ws

totally.

i heard this maulana speak once, and i was completely in love(not with him personally, but with the way he was, or appeared to be) I had so much respect for him, and he is very well-known and respected by everyone. Then I found out what was underneath the image(secret marriages to his much younger students), and I was completely heartbroken.

at the end of the day, they are still human. Of course humans will sin..I guess it just stands out more because of the fact that they are leaders within the community, and you look up to them and its really disappointing to see those you look up to making major mistakes. Obviously growing a beard and spending 8 years in a madrassah isnt going to make you immune to shaytaan, but I so wish it did I hate being disappointed.

[Rambo]

whats with religious leaders assaulting children sexually?? This seems to be in the news every where these days.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

A large proportion are extremely hypocritical. I cant estimate a percentage but its very significant. Its unusual for their conduct to match the self righteously pious image they project. When it does, they are the best people in the world.

ws

It's not that they're hypocritical necessarily, but that religious ideals are very lofty & difficult for normal people to live up to. And most outwardly religious people are just regular people with higher-than-regular ideals.

Anyone who can live up to even a majority of the ideal is obviously going to be a truly amazing person, better than any of us. That doesn't mean that people who fail in one way or another are necessarily "evil," of course (though some obviously are).

This is why we're counseled to avoid situations where even the possibility of sin arises.

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

I think there's a danger in every situation where there's undue influence.

Agreed.. but really, where do you draw the line? You would think that you could at least trust your male child with his male religious teacher.

[shadha]

Ibrahim, who was born in Afghanistan, will

I have heard that this sort of disgusting criminal behavior is almost common in Afghanistan?


shadha-

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

It's not that they're hypocritical necessarily, but that religious ideals are very lofty & difficult for normal people to live up to. And most outwardly religious people are just regular people with higher-than-regular ideals.

Anyone who can live up to even a majority of the ideal is obviously going to be a truly amazing person, better than any of us. That doesn't mean that people who fail in one way or another are necessarily "evil," of course (though some obviously are).

This is why we're counseled to avoid situations where even the possibility of sin arises.

I agree with you, but I dont hold them up to ideals that are higher than anyone else unless I do it subconsciously. I'm not saying i want them to walk on water, I was talking about regular aspects of being a good person like honesty, reliability, friendliness, honor, and other stuff like that. Usually people who are outwardly very religious do alot of the rituals and practices of our religion in a very impressive and commendable way, and present themselves in a very islamic manner, but among them are thieves and perverts and scumbags and jerks at percentages that are very close to those in the population at large, at least from my experience.

ws