[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

I agree with you, but I dont hold them up to ideals that are higher than anyone else unless I do it subconsciously. I'm not saying i want them to walk on water, I was talking about regular aspects of being a good person like honesty, reliability, friendliness, honor, and other stuff like that. Usually people who are outwardly very religious do alot of the rituals and practices of our religion in a very impressive and commendable way, and present themselves in a very islamic manner, but among them are thieves and perverts and scumbags and jerks at percentages that are very close to those in the population at large, at least from my experience.

ws

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[Bluestar]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

I agree with you, but I dont hold them up to ideals that are higher than anyone else unless I do it subconsciously. I'm not saying i want them to walk on water, I was talking about regular aspects of being a good person like honesty, reliability, friendliness, honor, and other stuff like that. Usually people who are outwardly very religious do alot of the rituals and practices of our religion in a very impressive and commendable way, and present themselves in a very islamic manner, but among them are thieves and perverts and scumbags and jerks at percentages that are very close to those in the population at large, at least from my experience.

ws

I think sixpak was right, it's just more noticeable when people who are religious....follow normal patterns of behaviour

Sometimes though, it's easy for it to seem more prevalent in religious groups because there's usually a big concept of abstinence and people don't always react to that in a positive way. When they should be using it to increase their will and self-control to make themselves disciplined, they instead fantasise about it and try and get as much as they get related to it as they can, or substitute it for something else with the mindset that "at least i don't do x and x so it must be ok!"

But that's human life, these are it's weaknesses and they shouldn't lead us to hate ourselves but to understand it's reality and try and help it improve

[roberto]

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I think so. I prefer to think that if they were simply seeking opportunity they would do something far less challenging, like working in child care, or the public school system. To me, if you're choosing a religious career that pays next to nothing and is very demanding spiritually and even physically, you're not doing it for opportunistic reasons. You know what you're doing is wrong, that your urges and desires are wrong and so forth.

I agree

I dunno, maybe it's because I grew up in a predominantly Catholic town, but I pity clergy who end up in these sorts of situations

As Catholics and I dare say others say "There but for the Grace of God go I"

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Key part has been bolded for convenience.

you should have bolded the whole quote

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Bluestar

I think sixpak was right, it's just more noticeable when people who are religious....follow normal patterns of behaviour

Sometimes though, it's easy for it to seem more prevalent in religious groups because there's usually a big concept of abstinence and people don't always react to that in a positive way. When they should be using it to increase their will and self-control to make themselves disciplined, they instead fantasise about it and try and get as much as they get related to it as they can, or substitute it for something else with the mindset that "at least i don't do x and x so it must be ok!"

But that's human life, these are it's weaknesses and they shouldn't lead us to hate ourselves but to understand it's reality and try and help it improve

salam

no, i wasnt talking about issues that involve self control and abstinence. Again, I was just talking about the basic elements of being a good person. Outward islamic religiosity doesnt correlate with being a good person (or being a bad person). This is just my experience, everyone has a different point of view and this is something that is impossible to prove or disprove using data. So its just a matter of opinion

ws

[psychoteddybear]

ewwww...and on long island?? nasty yo

[slime]

good that the boy had the courage to speak up
there are so many others that aren't able to

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by shadha

Ibrahim, who was born in Afghanistan, will

I have heard that this sort of disgusting criminal behavior is almost common in Afghanistan?


shadha-

You have NO idea. Not just in afghanistan, but in their communities around the world. Young boys, young girls, you name it. People are very primal in their desires. Unfortunately some are capable of covering it up well and acting quite the opposite. 'tis the world we live in.

[riad19]

Originally Posted by amina9183

Newsday

this makes me sad I used to make him biryani!! and give him cupcakes!!

it sucks when things happen that feed into the "all maulvis are evil" stereotype...

I almost won the battle with my parents about how all religious people arent bad...and my shaykh isnt talking to me just so he can manipulate me into marrying him...and then stuff like this comes out.

I dont know though...cuz lately ive been having so many horrible experiences with "Deeni" people that I am starting to think maybe my parents are right. Stereotypes must have some truth to them...? i dont want them to be right tho

its the absence of religion in religious people thats our biggest problem. but dont make your own relation with Allah based on the action of others. if your parents feel that religious people are immoral, then you should try to be an example of good for them to break their stereotype. at the end, we all need to judge our own actions, because our actions will certainly be judged for us.

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by riad19

its the absence of religion in religious people thats our biggest problem. .

Isnt that an oxymoron? Anyway, I dont think that is the issue. I think that people operate on a much more primal level than anyone is willing to admit. When the opportunity arises, either by chance or their own actions, they take advantage of the situation. Since homosexuality is frowned upon in society, and the figure is a respected member of the community, many of these assaults go unnoticed.