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Islam subway ads cause stir in New York - CNN.com

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Ads promoting Islam are to be placed on New York subway cars in September, but a U.S. congressman finds people sponsoring the messages unacceptable.




Siraj Wahhaj is imam of a Brooklyn mosque and a backer of pro-Islam ads on New York subway cars.









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The campaign is to feature ads on 1,000 of the subway system's roughly 6,200 cars. The main sponsor is a grass-roots organization, Islamic Circle of North America.
The ads, simple black-and-white panels, will feature key words or phrases about Islam on one side of the panel such as "Head Scarf?" or "Prophet Muhammad?" and the words "You deserve to know" along with the Web site address WhyIslam.org on the other side.


"The idea is to evoke certain thoughts in the mindset of the person who is looking at the ads and get them to a point where they can reflect upon certain words that one could define as hot words or keywords that get thrown around a lot but are not necessarily defined in the most proper context," said New York University's Imam Khalid Latif, a cleric who is promoting the project in a YouTube video created by the Islamic Circle. Watch the controversy surrounding the subway ads »


Another of the backers of the advertising campaign -- which will launch in September to coincide with the monthlong Islamic holiday of Ramadan -- is Siraj Wahhaj, imam of a Brooklyn mosque.


Wahhaj was the first Muslim to lead a prayer before the House of Representatives, but King objects to him because he was a character witness for convicted 1993 World Trade Center bombing mastermind Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman.
"He is a known Islamic extremist, and you would be giving him credibility and stature through a known government facility," said King, ranking member of the Homeland Security Committee.
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Wahhaj also appeared on a list of 170 potential unindicted co-conspirators in the 1993 bombing case. A prosecutor said that not everyone on the list was considered a co-conspirator.


On Monday, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg did not join in King's outrage about the ads.


"If you were to advocate becoming a Muslim, I assume the First Amendment would protect you," he said.


But King, noting that the ads would be up during the seventh anniversary of the September 11 attacks, said, "I'm calling on the MTA not to have these ads, not to go forward with them, and I don't see this as a free speech issue at all."
King said he sent a letter to the MTA on Monday night demanding that it reject the ads.
The New York Post has reacted strongly to the ads, running a cover photograph of Wahhaj on Monday with the headline "Jihad Train" and posting an article on its Web site with the headline "Train-ing day for jihadists" and the first paragraph saying, "Allah aboard!"


Abdel-Rahman and nine others were convicted in 1995 of seditious conspiracy for their role in a plot to bomb the United Nations, FBI headquarters in Manhattan, two tunnels in New York and a bridge connecting New Jersey with Manhattan, all in one day.
The government said the group also was responsible for the February 26, 1993, World Trade Center bombing that killed six people and injured more than 1,000.


Andrew McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor in that case, said Wahhaj's name was included in a filing that prosecutors were required to provide to defense attorneys in the case, a list of all the names of people who could possibly be foreseen to come up in the evidence. The filing, McCarthy said, has been called a "co-conspirator list." But Wahhaj was never named by the prosecution.


"The only time he came up in a meaningful way before the jury is when the defense called him as a witness," McCarthy recalled.


McCarthy said that although the list named anyone the government might allege during the trial was a co-conspirator, not everyone on the list was so labeled.
Wahhaj said Monday that he was a character witness for Abdel-Rahman in the context of "what we knew about him before the incident," citing him as a "scholar in Islam" and "a great reciter of the Quran."


"People try to make the connection as if I'm endorsing some bad deeds that [were] done by Sheik Abdel-Rahman," he said. "That had nothing to do with it."


He added, "not only have I never been charged with anything, not one FBI agent has ever asked me one question in relationship to that bombing."


Wahhaj also said that he regrets some of his more controversial statements, such as calling the FBI and the CIA "terrorists."


"What I was saying is that not all the FBI or CIA are terrorists, but there are some elements in there," he said. "So if you want to accuse some Muslims [of being terrorists], OK. These Muslims did that, but don't undermine the entire faith. That's what the message is."


Wahhaj said the New York Post's "cheesy" and "anti-Islam" reaction to his participation in the Subway Project is "the very reason the young Muslims want to put out this ad campaign."


Islamic Circle spokesman Azeem Khan called the situation a "perfect microcosm" of what the ads seek to address: that Wahhaj's portrayal in media reports is similar to how Islam is often depicted.


"I think that even more so reinforces the idea as to why a project like this is necessary, where Muslims have to be more pro-active in terms of educating people about their religion, by no means proselytizing the faith in any capacity, but really setting a standard and defining what mainstream Islam stands for," Latif said.





The project is the Islamic Circle's first such advertising campaign. The group has run ads before but not on New York's subways.

The transit authority said the cost of the monthlong campaign is about $48,000.
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just proof that discrimination strongly exists in this country.

in the city i live, there are about five or six billboards about the mormon faith and tons of commercials on TV with a website (pretty much similar to the islamic ones they wanna run in NYC) and no one complained about that....
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just proof that discrimination strongly exists in this country.
that has something to do with it

but more to do with imam siraj's name being associated with something bad
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There are some ads like these in Chicago.
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The NY Post is an extremely cheesy newspaper that teeters on the edge of being an out and out tabloid.
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And I thought the infidel dogs barked at the Islamic world for censorship. Look at their hypocrisy.
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And I thought the infidel dogs barked at the Islamic world for censorship. Look at their hypocrisy.
No kidding.

The congressman's attitude is reminiscent of Joe McCarthy.
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The NY Post is an extremely cheesy newspaper that teeters on the edge of being an out and out tabloid.
agreed ...they have a very loose concept of what constitutes journalism.

Inshallah MTA will prevail and let the ads run.
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The NY Post is owned by Rupert Murdock
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Well, he got listed as an unindicted co-conspirator for the 1993 WTC bombings. That might have something to do with it.
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Well, he got listed as an unindicted co-conspirator for the 1993 WTC bombings. That might have something to do with it.
If it wasn't that, they'd bring up something else. Instead of consenting to the retarded standard placed upon Muslims and specifically Imam Siraj, we should push back and highlight how insignificant the charge is against him, how removed he is from the project in question, and how discriminatory the New York representative and New York post is/was.
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it'll be a nice change from the ones about getting your degree or going to a podiatrist
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If it wasn't that, they'd bring up something else. Instead of consenting to the retarded standard placed upon Muslims and specifically Imam Siraj, we should push back and highlight how insignificant the charge is against him, how removed he is from the project in question, and how discriminatory the New York representative and New York post is/was.
I disagree. You don't fight fire with fire, you fight fire with water. When it comes to dawah, you don't engage in polemics, you give the dawah straight up and out and let the message of Islam present itself. If they keep attacking Islam, the indirect effect will be that people will have to study it more. If you don't defend yourself against baseless attacks, that will only give it more attention. The type of people who believe in this tripe are probably not gonna study Islam anyway, but their a fringe minority.
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