[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by roberto

Pull your head out of the sand

For you, that would mean me embracing the propaganda rhetoric of the government and the MSM, instead of being skeptical about it.

And no doubt you will claim that "mass" is defined by the number of Palestinians killed by Israel,

... during their indiscriminate killing operations.

No I wanted a statement equivelent to those I provided.

Which is the same thing, since a statement from Hamas, showing their animosity towards Israel is exactly what you provided. The equivelent, would be for me to provide a statement from Israel showing their animosity towards Hamas.

Back to you old tricks I see.

Your statement is untrue

No it isn't. Israel frequently violates its ceasefire agreements, since everyone likes to turn a blind eye to it, and only want to see when the Palestinians respond:

Rockets 'violated Gaza ceasefire'

Yet, somehow the Israeli attack a few hours after the ceasefire started doesn't?

I fail to see how this "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).is a general statement.It is specific in aim it is specific in who it applies to

It only mentions who the target is. It doesn't mention who, specifically, would "obliterate" it, as saying it's "Islam" is very general and can mean a lot of things.

In providing an extract together with a URL providing the actual Hamas Covenant 1988, I would expect anyone not imprisoned by their hatred would have read it; I should have known better.

Yes you should've. Providing the URL means you're just referencing your quote. If all you did was post the URL, that would be more clear that you intended me to read the whole thing.

Review your post , you will see how pathetic is your stance

It's not pathetic. It's just the opposite of yours in regards to Israel vs. Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas.

[roberto]

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For you, that would mean me embracing the propaganda rhetoric of the government and the MSM, instead of being skeptical about it.

Not so, for I'm not filled with hatred, I'm not suffering from conditioning

... during their indiscriminate killing operations.

Edging away I see.

Which is the same thing, since a statement from Hamas, showing their animosity towards Israel is exactly what you provided. The equivelent, would be for me to provide a statement from Israel showing their animosity towards Hamas.

animosity ie "ill will or resentment tending toward active hostility" is equivelent of obliterate

No it isn't. Israel frequently violates its ceasefire agreements, since everyone likes to turn a blind eye to it, and only want to see when the Palestinians respond:

Oh dear it's just not fair he cried,, again you back away

It only mentions who the target is. It doesn't mention who, specifically, would "obliterate" it, as saying it's "Islam" is very general and can mean a lot of things.

It’s a statement in the Hamas Covenant, God how many times do I have to tell you that

Yes you should've. Providing the URL means you're just referencing your quote. If all you did was post the URL, that would be more clear that you intended me to read the whole thing.

You are being downright stupid

It's not pathetic. It's just the opposite of yours in regards to Israel vs. Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas

Your postings have become comical.You must try and do better

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by roberto

Not so, for I'm not filled with hatred, I'm not suffering from conditioning

On the contrary, roboto, you are suffering from conditioning. You are conditioned by the government and the MSM, which is why you only consult those sources for information. If anyone says anything contrary to them, you presume that they must be wrong.

Edging away I see.

What am I edging away from?

animosity ie "ill will or resentment tending toward active hostility" is equivelent of obliterate

No it isn't. Animosity is an emotion. Obliterate is an action.

Oh dear it's just not fair he cried,, again you back away

Again, what am I backing away from?

It’s a statement in the Hamas Covenant, God how many times do I have to tell you that

I know what it is. However, it doesn't matter where the statement is in, because by itself, it still isn't specific enough regardless.

You are being downright stupid

You're the one who 'didn't know better'.

Your postings have become comical.You must try and do better

I'm still doing way better than you.

[roberto]

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On the contrary, roboto, you are suffering from conditioning. You are conditioned by the government and the MSM, which is why you only consult those sources for information. If anyone says anything contrary to them, you presume that they must be wrong.

Substanciate that I only access the government and the MSM, or withdraw

What am I edging away from?

As always; the truth , the facts

No it isn't. Animosity is an emotion. Obliterate is an action.

So why on earth did you offer them them as equivalent, do you read, let alone understand that which you write?

Again, what am I backing away from?

As always; the truth , the facts

I know what it is. However, it doesn't matter where the statement is in, because by itself, it still isn't specific enough regardless.

How utterly pathetic

I'm still doing way better than you

You delude yourself

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by roberto

Substanciate that I only access the government and the MSM, or withdraw

Your beliefs and views about the world today substantiate it, as your beliefs and views are consistent with someone who actually believes the MSM-government propaganda. For example:

1 - You believed that Iran is going to acquire nuclear weapons, when this is something that only the MSM-government propagandists claim. I actually argued with you about that in another thread. If you had consulted other sources for information about that, you would've known full well that they didn't.

2 - You believe the official conspiracy theories of the MSM-government ministry of propaganda, with regards to everything, from 9-11, to 7-7. If you had consulted other sources for information, you would know that they're misrepresenting the facts with regards to those issues.

So why on earth did you offer them them as equivalent, do you read, let alone understand that which you write?

I said, with regards to the quote, it shows animosity toward Israel on the part of Hamas. Their will/desire to obliterate is reflective of that animosity.

The equivalent would be a quote from Israel showing their will/desire to obliterate Hamas, which would be reflective of their animosity towards them.

As always; the truth , the facts

That doesn't make any sense, since everything I've said here has been the truth.

How utterly pathetic

I was simply pointing out the obvious with that quote you used. If that's how you feel about it, then maybe you shouldn't have used it in the first place.

You delude yourself

So the facts and the truth are a delusion. That's very interesting. Does that mean myths and lies are reality?

[roberto]

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Your beliefs and views about the world today substantiate it, as your beliefs and views are consistent with someone who actually believes the MSM-government propaganda.

Oh dear such logic, you don't like my views so that means, you claim, I only access sources that echo my views, accessing a range of views and then reaching a considered view that you don’t agree with is just not possible. Sure that’s pure logic

I said, with regards to the quote, it shows animosity toward Israel on the part of Hamas. Their will/desire to obliterate is reflective of that animosity.

The equivalent would be a quote from Israel showing their will/desire to obliterate Hamas, which would be reflective of their animosity towards them.

Who do you think you fool; now acknowledge that you cannot match the statement in the Hamas covenant by anything said by Israel authorities

That doesn't make any sense, since everything I've said here has been the truth.

You are blinded by hatred; you are damaged by indoctrination such that you are unable to recognise the truth

I was simply pointing out the obvious with that quote you used. If that's how you feel about it, then maybe you shouldn't have used it in the first place.

What was obvious?

So the facts and the truth are a delusion. That's very interesting. Does that mean myths and lies are reality?

You are blinded by hatred; you are damaged by indoctrination such that you are unable to recognise the truth

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by roberto

Oh dear such logic, you don't like my views so that means, you claim, I only access sources that echo my views, accessing a range of views and then reaching a considered view that you don’t agree with is just not possible. Sure that’s pure logic

No, that is not my logic. My logic is that your views are consistent with that of of the MSM-government propaganda, because you only believe what the MSM-government sources say, and disregard other sources if they disagree with what the MSM-government says.

In other words, you're still holding the MSM-government propaganda as the arbiter for what other sources have to say about the world. If that is the case, then whether you "check other sources" or not is irrelevent, and a moot point. Unless of course, you're open to the MSM-government being wrong and dishonest, as well as other things. If you aren't open to that, then what I have said about you is correct.

Who do you think you fool; now acknowledge that you cannot match the statement in the Hamas covenant by anything said by Israel authorities

I'm not going to acknowledge that I can't, since I haven't even tried to yet, as I find it irrelevant to the point of their intention.

You are blinded by hatred; you are damaged by indoctrination such that you are unable to recognise the truth

"Recognise truths"? Such as:

Iran not having a nuclear weapons program? I acknowledge that.

Iran has never actually threatening to "wipe Israel off the map"? I acknowledge that as well.

Israel being an abominable, racist, apartheid rogue-state? Yeah, I definetely acknowledge that.

None of Israel's neighbors really like them? I also acknowledge that.

That some would like to see Israel gone? I can't really blame them, given what Israel has done. Even some Jews want to see Israel gone.

Now the question is, how many of those truths are you willing to acknowledge?

What was obvious?

That the quote you provide from the Hamas covenant was too general.

[roberto]

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No, that is not my logic. My logic is that your views are consistent with that of of the MSM-government propaganda, because you only believe what the MSM-government sources say, and disregard other sources if they disagree with what the MSM-government says.

A logic based on an assumption, is that the best you can do?

In other words, you're still holding the MSM-government propaganda as the arbiter for what other sources have to say about the world. If that is the case, then whether you "check other sources" or not is irrelevent, and a moot point. Unless of course, you're open to the MSM-government being wrong and dishonest, as well as other things. If you aren't open to that, then what I have said about you is correct.

But it is not the case so stop making a fool of your self and withdraw your ridiculous claims

I'm not going to acknowledge that I can't, since I haven't even tried to yet, as I find it irrelevant to the point of their intention.

So you back down,you give up.

"Recognise truths"? Such as:

Iran not having a nuclear weapons program? I acknowledge that.

Iran has never actually threatening to "wipe Israel off the map"? I acknowledge that as well.

Israel being an abominable, racist, apartheid rogue-state? Yeah, I definetely acknowledge that.

None of Israel's neighbors really like them? I also acknowledge that.

That some would like to see Israel gone? I can't really blame them, given what Israel has done. Even some Jews want to see Israel gone.

Now the question is, how many of those truths are you willing to acknowledge?


That the quote you provide from the Hamas covenant was too general

Just the understatement in bold.

Once again you show an inability to step outside your hatreds. The resulting poisoning of your ability to judge anything leads to the sheer absurdity of your attemps at presenting your case.

Withdraw whilst you still retain a small degree of credibility

[MossadConspiracy]

you're an MSM

[roberto]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

you're an MSM

Did you lose track of what you were writing; pop a pill

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by roberto

A logic based on an assumption, is that the best you can do?

It is logic based on observation, not an "assumption".

But it is not the case so stop making a fool of your self and withdraw your ridiculous claims

So are you admitting to believing information to be true, even though it is contrary to what the MSM-government says?

So you back down,you give up.

No, since what I've said from the beginning is that actions speak louder than words.

Just the understatement in bold.

Then you're wrong, since I acknowledged it. The only issue, is if it's really a "threat" or not. I'm sure there are people who want to see Iran gone, or people who want to see Hezbollah gone as well. So what?

Some people would also like to see religion gone as well, as well as a host of other things. If people wanting someone/something gone is a "threat" to that someone/something, then everyone and everything is being "threatened" by someone else.

Once again you show an inability to step outside your hatreds. The resulting poisoning of your ability to judge anything leads to the sheer absurdity of your attemps at presenting your case.

Withdraw whilst you still retain a small degree of credibility

Calling it like it is isn't "hatred", it's just reality, which is all I'm presenting.

[MossadConspiracy]

you're an MSM too