[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu

I don't have a husband

What's WRONG WITH YOU!!! You're supposed to be married by like 14 and stuff. Get with the program lady!

(j/k)

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

I do indeed.

I will try to search for it insha-Allah. Basically, the proofs I used to issue this fatwa were the following:

I do believe that the Sahabah disarmed the people during times of sedition and killing, as well as severely punished those who were involved in arms dealings during such times. We of course live in such times, where rampant killing, gang warfare, etc. are rampant.

But this was just with regards to swords..

As for guns, I believe that the Prophet [s] explicitly forbade cruel weapons, especially those that use fire.

Again, I'll have to dig up the proofs.

By the way, I'm kidding about the issuing a fatwa part. Obviously this is just my own opinion. Take it as you wish insha-Allah.

So you believe that Muslims should fight wars with bows & arrows?

A gun is a modern implementation of a bow and arrow. Further, it doesn't use fire to harm, it uses a projectile to harm. Just like a bow. It's no more cruel than a bow. It's probably less so, since a gun is easier to fire accurately and thus more likely to kill on projectile impact than an arrow is.

In regards to the Sahabas disarming individuals in times of war, please cite your proof along with parallels, and then cite which body has similar authority today.

This CAIR-ish fatwa disappoints me, Imam Jaysh. Did MuslimZ hack your account?

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

So you believe that Muslims should fight wars with bows & arrows?

Not at all. I am saying that the government should prohibit its citizens from brandishing guns in times of killing and sedition, which is the case nowadays.

A gun is a modern implementation of a bow and arrow. Further, it doesn't use fire to harm, it uses a projectile to harm. Just like a bow. It's no more cruel than a bow. It's probably less so, since a gun is easier to fire accurately and thus more likely to kill on projectile impact than an arrow is.

I think a lot of firearms would be considered cruel weapons.

In regards to the Sahabas disarming individuals in times of war, please cite your proof along with parallels, and then cite which body has similar authority today.

I will insha-Allah post it when I get the chance.

This CAIR-ish fatwa disappoints me, Imam Jaysh. Did MuslimZ hack your account?

You know, the Taliban confiscated guns from its citizens. And the Taliban are certainly not like CAIR.

[Jaysh]

Originally Posted by Spice

You dont own one in Pakistan?

I'm actually back in America now.

But no, I did not own a gun in Pakistan. It's a serious offense over there that can land you in jail for a very long time.

[Jaysh]

Six Pak, I can't locate the proof about the Sahabah banning weapons and weapon sales during times of sedition and killing. Sorry. But it does exist, just can't find it. It might not prove my point, but it certainly was something along the lines of what I am saying. I haven't really researched this issue at all. Maybe I should have made that clear earlier in this thread.

[Purple_alien]

I come from a very pro gun family. My grandfather had loads of them for hunting and the like. Growing up, my parents were rather indifferent about guns, but my mother had to qualify at the range yearly for her job. 9th grade, they allowed me to take rifle shooting lessons, and my mom always told me when she got her gun, I'd have to learn to use it. Of course, my sisters came along and they are all weird, so we won't be getting one
Well, we still have my grandfathers old raggedy rifles in the back room...

[Spice]

Originally Posted by Purple_alien

I come from a very pro gun family. My grandfather had loads of them for hunting and the like. Growing up, my parents were rather indifferent about guns, but my mother had to qualify at the range yearly for her job. 9th grade, they allowed me to take rifle shooting lessons, and my mom always told me when she got her gun, I'd have to learn to use it. Of course, my sisters came along and they are all weird, so we won't be getting one
Well, we still have my grandfathers old raggedy rifles in the back room...

When I was in Pakistan, my mamoo taught shoot (or tried to ) with his gun. Most of the women in my family are taught but they dont carry them. Its more so for protection while the men are away. The men do carry them though (or a most of them anyway).

Its kind of creepy but oddly cool. The family has a collection of them and regularly clean/polish/shoot them to keep them in good condition. It must be a hobby because I doubt the actually need all that many.

[Timbit]

So dumb. Another reason I wouldn't want to live in America.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Not at all. I am saying that the government should prohibit its citizens from brandishing guns in times of killing and sedition, which is the case nowadays.

Yeah, but it's really not the case nowadays. Rampant violence is confined to specific municipalities and pockets of America. Strangely, the worst violence tends to be concentrated in the areas with the heaviest gun control. Like DC.

Originally Posted by Jaysh

I think a lot of firearms would be considered cruel weapons.

What's the basis for that?

Originally Posted by Jaysh

You know, the Taliban confiscated guns from its citizens. And the Taliban are certainly not like CAIR.

Can you cite a source for that? Also, the Taliban was attempting to establish order and power in a war-torn nation where there was definite strife and lawlessness. Not really comparable to most of America.

Are there any scholars who support your view?

[Ilikemyscarf]

Originally Posted by iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu

I don't have a husband

you have a brother.

[Blue_Phoenix]

Well, duh. Unless they put another amendment into the constitution forbidding guns, we have the right to bear arms forever.

[iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu]

Originally Posted by Ilikemyscarf

you have a brother.

none of my older brothers live in the same city and my younger brothers are more dependent on me than the other way around.


It's ok. I'm Texas tough

[Good_ol_JR]

I'm all for the Second Amendment because most Gang bangers/criminals get their guns illegally so they're not going to be hindered by any gun control law. Matter of fact it would only empower them, because responsible citizens wouldn't be able to defend themselves. Anyone who wants a gun should be subject to a background check to make sure they have no criminal history, and should then have the right to defend themselves. Guns allow totally helpless individuals ie: handicapped, elderly, women, weaklings to defend themselves against more physically imposing forces.

I'm very suspicious about Jaysh's claims; the Pashtuns as an ethnic group are probably among the most devout, chivalrous Muslims and they use guns as a means of upholding their honor in the Tribal areas and in the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan. Not to mention I know a Pashtun who visited Afghanistan prior to 9/11 and he said he reported a stolen car to the local Taliban officials. They found the vehicle within a matter of days and gave him a gun and bullets free of charge.

I believe gun ownership should be regulated but not banned; so long as there are detailed background checks being done, everyone ought to have the right own a gun.

[bravotwozero]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

I'm all for the Second Amendment because most Gang bangers/criminals get their guns illegally so they're not going to be hindered by any gun control law. Matter of fact it would only empower them, because responsible citizens wouldn't be able to defend themselves. Anyone who wants a gun should be subject to a background check to make sure they have no criminal history, and should then have the right to defend themselves. Guns allow totally helpless individuals ie: handicapped, elderly, women, weaklings to defend themselves against more physically imposing forces.

The States with the loosest gun laws typically have the highest gun related crime rate. They are also the states from which guns make their way north of the border to Canada.