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Bangladesh is set to disappear under the waves by the end of the century - A special report by Johann Hari

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Bangladesh, the most crowded nation on earth, is set to disappear under the waves by the end of this century – and we will be to blame. Johann Hari took a journey to see for himself how western profligacy and indifference have sealed the fate of 150 million peoplewent to see for himself the spreading misery and destruction as the ocean reclaims the land on which so many millions depend



This spring, I took a month-long road trip across a country that we – you, me and everyone we know – are killing. One day, not long into my journey, I travelled over tiny ridges and groaning bridges on the back of a motorbike to reach the remote village of Munshigonj. The surviving villagers – gaunt, creased people – were sitting by a stagnant pond. They told me, slowly, what we have done to them.

Ten years ago, the village began to die. First, many of the trees turned a strange brownish-yellow colour and rotted. Then the rice paddies stopped growing and festered in the water. Then the fish floated to the surface of the rivers, gasping. Then many of the animals began to die. Then many of the children began to die.
The waters flowing through Munshigonj – which had once been sweet and clear and teeming with life – had turned salty and dead.
Arita Rani, a 25-year-old, sat looking at the salt water, swaddled in a blue sari and her grief. "We couldn't drink the water from the river, because it was suddenly full of salt and made us sick," she said. "So I had to give my children water from this pond. I knew it was a bad idea. People wash in this pond. It's dirty. So we all got dysentery." She keeps staring at its surface. "I have had it for 10 years now. You feel weak all the time, and you have terrible stomach pains. You need to run to the toilet 10 times a day. My boy Shupria was seven and he had this for his whole life. He was so weak, and kept getting coughs and fevers. And then one morning..."
Her mother interrupted the trailing silence. "He died," she said. Now Arita's surviving three-year-old, Ashik, is sick, too. He is sprawled on his back on the floor. He keeps collapsing; his eyes are watery and distant. His distended stomach feels like a balloon pumped full of water. "Why did this happen?" Arita asked.
It is happening because of us. Every flight, every hamburger, every coal power plant, ends here, with this. Bangladesh is a flat, low-lying land made of silt, squeezed in between the melting mountains of the Himalayas and the rising seas of the Bay of Bengal. As the world warms, the sea is swelling – and wiping Bangladesh off the map.
Deep below the ground of Munshigonj and thousands of villages like it, salt water is swelling up. It is this process – called "saline inundation" – that killed their trees and their fields and contaminated their drinking water. Some farmers have shifted from growing rice to farming shrimp – but that employs less than a quarter of the people, and it makes them dependent on a fickle export market. The scientific evidence shows that unless we change now, this salt water will keep rising and rising, until everything here is ocean.
I decided to embark on this trip when, sitting in my air-conditioned flat in London, I noticed a strange and seemingly impossible detail in a scientific report. The International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – whose predictions have consistently turned out to be underestimates – said that Bangladesh is on course to lose 17 per cent of its land and 30 per cent of its food production by 2050. For America, this would be equivalent to California and New York State drowning, and the entire mid-West turning salty and barren.
Surely this couldn't be right? How could more than 20 million Bangladeshis be turned into refugees so suddenly and so silently? I dug deeper, hoping it would be disproved – and found that many climatologists think the IPCC is way too optimistic about Bangladesh. I turned to Professor James Hansen, the director of Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, whose climate calculations have proved to be more accurate than anybody else's. He believes the melting of the Greenland ice cap being picked up by his satellites today, now, suggests we are facing a 25-metre rise in sea levels this century – which would drown Bangladesh entirely. When I heard this, I knew I had to go, and see.
1. The edge of a cliff
The first thing that happens when you arrive in Dhaka is that you stop. And wait. And wait. And all you see around you are cars, and all you hear is screaming. Bangladesh's capital is in permanent shrieking gridlock, with miles of rickshaws and mobile heaps of rust. The traffic advances by inches and by howling. Each driver screams himself hoarse announc-ing – that was my lane! Stay there! Stop moving! Go back! Go forward! It is a good-natured shrieking: everybody knows that this is what you do in Dhaka. If you are lucky, you enter a slipstream of traffic that moves for a minute – until the jams back up and the screaming begins once more.
Around you, this megalopolis of 20 million people seems to be screaming itself conscious. People burn rubbish by the roadside, or loll in the rivers. Children with skin deformities that look like infected burns try to thrust maps or sweets into your hand. Rickshaw drivers with thighs of steel pedal furious-ly as whole families cling on and offer their own high-volume traffic commentary to the groaning driver, and the groaning city.
I wanted to wade through all this chaos to find Bangladesh's climate scientists, who are toiling in the crannies of the city to figure out what – if anything – can be saved.
Dr Atiq Rahman's office in downtown Dhaka is a nest of scientific reports and books that, at every question, he dives into to reel off figures. He is a tidy, grey-moustached man who speaks English very fast, as if he is running out of time.
"It is clear from all the data we are gathering here in Bangladesh that the IPCC predictions were much too conservative," he said. He should know: he is one of the IPCC's leading members, and the UN has given him an award for his unusually prescient predictions. His work is used as one of the standard textbooks across the world, including at Oxford and Harvard. "We are facing a catastrophe in this country. We are talking about an absolutely massive displacement of human beings."
He handed me shafts of scientific studies as he explained: "This is the ground zero of global warming." He listed the effects. The seas are rising, so land is being claimed from the outside. (The largest island in the country, Bhola, has lost half its land in the past decade.) The rivers are super-charged, becoming wider and wider, so land is being claimed from within. (Erosion is up by 40 per cent). Cyclones are becoming more intense and more violent (2007 was the worst year on record for intense hurricanes here). And salt water is rendering the land barren. (The rate of saline inundation has trebled in the past 20 years.) "There is no question," Dr Rahman said, "that this is being caused primarily by human action. This is way outside natural variation. If you really want people in the West to understand the effect they are having here, it's simple. From now on, we need to have a system where for every 10,000 tons of carbon you emit, you have to take a Bangladeshi family to live with you. It is your responsibility." In the past, he has called it "climatic genocide".

Bangladesh is set to disappear under the waves by the end of the century - A special report by Johann Hari - Asia, World - The Independent
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that is so disturbing.
I thought alot of their houses were made on stilts...
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Bangladesh seems to be a cursed nation
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Bangladesh seems to be a cursed nation
It looks like the opposite to me...
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Excuse me, it is not cursed, and if it was, it is only because West Pakistanis turned the 1971 Liberation War into one of the worst genocides in the history of the world, killing 1.9-3million people. Way worse than Rwanda in 1994,in which 400 000 ppl died, and almost as bad as Ukraine in the early20th century.

Wheelworks: Alot of villages have mud huts made with bamboo sticks,but most cities in the country have homes and buildings made of concrete.
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It's not just Bengladesh. If worst case predictions come true, then a LOT of the worlds most populated areas will be under water. The world is indeed a scary place.
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Excuse me, it is not cursed, and if it was, it is only because West Pakistanis turned the 1971 Liberation War into one of the worst genocides in the history of the world, killing 1.9-3million people. Way worse than Rwanda in 1994,in which 400 000 ppl died, and almost as bad as Ukraine in the early20th century.

Wheelworks: Alot of villages have mud huts made with bamboo sticks,but most cities in the country have homes and buildings made of concrete.
Is this really necessary? Most Pakistanis alive today admit that Pakistan did not treat Bengladesh in the correct manner.
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I see this as kind of a statement against the anti-nuclear lobby. Because weighing the risks and benefits of nuclear vs coal or oil - finding a home for nuclear waste may be less 'risky' than finding new homes for hundreds of millions of people.
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I see this as kind of a statement against the anti-nuclear lobby. Because weighing the risks and benefits of nuclear vs coal or oil - finding a home for nuclear waste may be less 'risky' than finding new homes for hundreds of millions of people.
The funny thing about that is there doesn't need to be that much nuclear waste. The US just doesn't want to implement the technologies to eliminate that problem due to proliferation fears. France, Japan, and a few other nations get a HUGE chunk of their electricity from nuclear sources, but they dont' have the kind of waste issues the US has.

Oh, and nuclear alone can't solve our energy problems.
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Is this really necessary? Most Pakistanis alive today admit that Pakistan did not treat Bengladesh in the correct manner.

Well was it neccessary for the OP to title the post "Bangladesh a gonner" and call it "cursed", when the real subject is climate change? I know he is a Pakistani, and saying such things does not do anything to appease or reconcile the children and grandchildren of millions and millions of slaughtered Bangladeshis. If anything, he is trying to pour salt on the wounds of Bangladeshis; the wounds his countrymen sliced open.

I will acknowledge however, that most of my Pakistani friends feel bad, and not all Pakistanis harbour animosity towards Bangladesh, but being born in North America, I can say I havent seen it disappear completely, even amongst the second generation.

Regarding Bangladesh "going under", there are actually architects who are developing projects for "floating villages", enabling low-lying areas to withstand rising sea levels that are no longer a prediction, but a stunning fact.
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I feel an argument brewing....this thread's gonna go downhill pretty soon..

Thanks Rambo for posting this, it's a really disturbing article...I wish there was something we could do to make a real difference but everybody loves their SUVs too much
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Well was it neccessary for the OP to title the post "Bangladesh a gonner" and call it "cursed", when the real subject is climate change? I know he is a Pakistani, and saying such things does not do anything to appease or reconcile the children and grandchildren of millions and millions of slaughtered Bangladeshis. If anything, he is trying to pour salt on the wounds of Bangladeshis; the wounds his countrymen sliced open.

I will acknowledge however, that most of my Pakistani friends feel bad, and not all Pakistanis harbour animosity towards Bangladesh, but being born in North America, I can say I havent seen it disappear completely, even amongst the second generation.

Regarding Bangladesh "going under", there are actually architects who are developing projects for "floating villages", enabling low-lying areas to withstand rising sea levels that are no longer a prediction, but a stunning fact.
Rambo is a Mirpuri...which claims to be part of Pakistan.

That is a disputed claim rather like Kashmir except nobody wants Mirpur.
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This is so sad.
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salaams to all

Yippee!!
now millions of bangladeshis will have a legitimate excuse (sort of) to apply for refugee status in rich western countries.which is what many of them are doing irrespective of whether their country is gonna become like Atlantis or not.

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