British Brutality in Iraq

[YOUSUFofSD]

YouTube - British Brutality in Iraq

the guy filming is freakin sadistic.

[shadha]

So like, actually, I think all British soldiers are sadistic fire-breathing rape addicted murdering devils.

Is this the part where I'm suppose to damn them all to hell?


shadha-

[sally]

that was terrible...it was a 2 minute video but i quit when they started beating up the guy.

shadha said

So like, actually, I think all British soldiers are sadistic fire-breathing rape addicted murdering devils.

Is this the part where I'm suppose to damn them all to hell?


shadha-

there's no need to be so sarcastic. you sound defensive, as if you're the one being attacked.

[YOUSUFofSD]

sally said

that was terrible...it was a 2 minute video but i quit when they started beating up the guy.



there's no need to be so sarcastic. you sound defensive, as if you're the one being attacked.

yea if you watched till the end you woulda heard that sick freak of a person talking...

shadha, it just shows you what some of them do, and since it was in broad daylight in front of higher ups...it shows that it is tolerated...

[YOUSUFofSD]

Brutality of Iraqi Shia soldiers, with encouragement from US


Not only are they doing it, but they are teaching/condoning the policing force that they are leaving to do it...nice.

YouTube - Brutality of Iraqi Shia soldiers, with encouragement from US

[Bluestar]

sally said

there's no need to be so sarcastic. you sound defensive, as if you're the one being attacked.

Exactly, it's critical of the military and the level (or type ) of training and supervision that's available to them.

[AmroodWaala]

YOUSUFofSD said

Brutality of Iraqi Shia soldiers, with encouragement from US


Not only are they doing it, but they are teaching/condoning the policing force that they are leaving to do it...nice.

YouTube - Brutality of Iraqi Shia soldiers, with encouragement from US

The attitudes of American soldiers in particular has been criticized.

A senior British officer has criticised the US army for its conduct in Iraq, accusing it of institutional racism, moral righteousness, misplaced optimism, and of being ill-suited to engage in counter-insurgency operations.
The blistering critique, by Brigadier Nigel Aylwin-Foster, who was the second most senior officer responsible for training Iraqi security forces, reflects criticism and frustration voiced by British commanders of American military tactics.

What is startling is the severity of his comments - and the decision by Military Review, a US army magazine, to publish them.

American soldiers, says Brig Aylwin-Foster, were "almost unfailingly courteous and considerate". But he says "at times their cultural insensitivity, almost certainly inadvertent, arguably amounted to institutional racism".

US army in Iraq institutionally racist, claims British officer | World news | The Guardian

Their stories, recorded and typed into thousands of pages of transcripts, reveal disturbing patterns of behavior by American troops in Iraq. Dozens of those interviewed witnessed Iraqi civilians, including children, dying from American firepower. Some participated in such killings; others treated or investigated civilian casualties after the fact. Many also heard such stories, in detail, from members of their unit. The soldiers, sailors and marines emphasized that not all troops took part in indiscriminate killings. Many said that these acts were perpetrated by a minority. But they nevertheless described such acts as common and said they often go unreported--and almost always go unpunished.

Court cases, such as the ones surrounding the massacre in Haditha and the rape and murder of a 14-year-old in Mahmudiya, and news stories in the Washington Post, Time, the London Independent and elsewhere based on Iraqi accounts have begun to hint at the wide extent of the attacks on civilians. Human rights groups have issued reports, such as Human Rights Watch's Hearts and Minds: Post-war Civilian Deaths in Baghdad Caused by U.S. Forces, packed with detailed incidents that suggest that the killing of Iraqi civilians by occupation forces is more common than has been acknowledged by military authorities.

The Other War: Iraq Vets Bear Witness

[Hanbali]

sally said

there's no need to be so sarcastic. you sound defensive, as if you're the one being attacked.

She's just defending the occupying army that she supports.

[shadha]

Hanbali: She's just defending the occupying army that she supports.

What's the matter Jaysh, you don't have any more damning duas to pull out your Kufi against the British military, their families, and all who support them? Or are those special duas you reserve solely for the Americans?


shadha-

[ChotooMotoo]

They have to think that the people they are fighting against are less than they are. If they waring parties thought of eachother as equals, they wouldn't be able to kill eachother so easily. That's the psychology of war. The problem is, they get indoctrinated that these people are evil, and deserve to be treated like garbage, but then they meet some of them and realize they are fully human after all, and it messes with their heads. Look at all the soldiers comming home suffering from serious mental illnesses.

[Jamroll]

Just as an FYI, the incident in the OP is over two years old.

Here's an article from a leading British newspaper at the time:



February 13, 2006

World sees shocking images of British soldiers' brutality

The assault on four Iraqi teenagers and the cameraman's mocking commentary have enraged people throughout the Middle East

By Dominic Kennedy

A SHOCKING breakdown of military discipline is caught on video as eight burly British soldiers rain 42 kicks and blows on four puny young male Iraqi civilians, one of them a child.

The victims’ helpless cries for mercy and howls of pain and terror are ignored by groups of troops casually passing by. One man is heard to say: “In the f***ing head.”

The most senior soldier, thought to be a sergeant, does nothing to stop the brutality but instead delivers a vicious kick to one victim’s genitals.

The video’s soundtrack features a disturbing commentary from the cameraman, an excited sentry who laughs, sneers, encourages and mocks as the outrage unfolds before him.

Still images from the video, provided by a paid whistleblower and published in the News of the World, prove that the incident was far from being a unique atrocity perpetrated by the British forces in Iraq.

A further episode sees a soldier display the corpse of a young Iraqi man, lift the victim’s head and display it to the camera. The cameraman defiles the body by twice kicking the dead face, a grievous insult to Arabs who regard shoes as dirty. A soldier laughs: “He’s been a bad motherf***er”.

But it is the casual savagery of the attack on the four young males, in effect prisoners of the British forces, which forms the most devastating two minutes of the video.

At first, groups of youths throw stones at the stronghold but they flee when lines of baton-wielding British soldiers emerge. A radio voice screeches targets for the troops: “Black top, blue bottoms — go on!”

Some of the Britons return, dragging their captives in headlocks. The moment they get inside the perimeter wall, out of sight of the civilian population, the violence begins.

The first victim, a boy no older than his early teens, is released from a headlock by a soldier still wearing his helmet who immediately head-butts him. The boy cries “No, please” and clings helplessly to the soldier’s baton. Another soldier grabs the boy’s neck and throws him to the ground. The first soldier brings his baton smashing down on to the child.

A second, slightly built youth is repeatedly dealt heavy blows with the baton until he crumples. A third victim is battered to the ground with a baton and kicked repeatedly like a football. In a distressing image the prisoner is last seen unconscious with a dark patch, resembling blood, around his head.

The cameraman shouts with delight when the captives are first brought into the compound. “Yes, yes, oh yes, you’re going to get it,” he says. “Yes, naughty little boys. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Phwoar. You little f***ers, you little f***ers. Die!” He mocks the captives’ pleas for mercy, adopting a high-pitched voice to say: “No, please don’t hurt me!”

The News of the World published extracts from the video on its website yesterday, allowing millions of people to download the images. The newspaper studied the video for several days, taking pains to confirm that it was genuine after hoax Iraqi abuse photographs cost Piers Morgan his job as Editor of the Daily Mirror. Stuart Kuttner, the News of the World’s managing editor, said: “We’ve made inquiries of the source, of people around the source, of military experts, of the Ministry of Defence and beyond.”

One of the key mysteries is how such a film could exist and be shown to military personnel for two years without the obvious crimes depicted being reported to the authorities.

Critics will question at what rank did the Army realise that prisoners were being beaten. The film was taken by one non-commissioned officer and shows abuse by another. Most of the soldiers attacking the youths are privates.

EARLIER ABUSE

May 2003 Naked Iraqi prisoners are forced to simulate sex and one is dangled from a forklift truck at Camp Bread Basket in Basra. Three British soldiers are jailed and dismissed

May 2003 Ahmed Kareem, a suspected looter, is allegedly beaten and thrown into a canal in Basra where he drowns. Four British soldiers awaiting court martial for manslaughter

September 2003 Baha Musa, 26, an Iraqi receptionist, dies in Basra after three days in British custody, allegedly having been beaten. Seven soldiers face courts martial this September

October-December 2003 US soldiers abuse Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. Two soldiers are jailed and the commanding officer is demoted

Early 2004 Four young Iraqi male captives are beaten by eight British soldiers after riots in southern Iraq. Royal Military Police investigation is begun after new video emerges in yesterday’s News of the World

May 1, 2004 Daily Mirror publishes photographs purporting to show British soldiers urinating on and beating Iraqi prisoners. Piers Morgan, the Editor, is dismissed when they are shown to be fake

World sees shocking images of British soldiers' brutality - Times Online

[m_ali_qazi]

Hanbali said

She's just defending the occupying army that she supports.

funny thing is, people generalize all the resistance fighters as terrorists who are animals without families yada yada yada

but the US and british soldiers are somehow different

[sixpakistan]

Still images from the video, provided by a paid whistleblower and published in the News of the World, prove that the incident was far from being a unique atrocity perpetrated by the British forces in Iraq.

'nuff said

At least British Muslims aren't gonna lie down for this. They know how to speak up for themselves.

[Jamroll]

sixpakistan said

'nuff said

At least British Muslims aren't gonna lie down for this. They know how to speak up for themselves.

To be fair, everyone in Britain was horrified when the video was shown all over the news channels at the time.

The British Army is facing a real recruitment crisis. No one (or very few anyway) wants to go and fight in Iraq.

[m_ali_qazi]

Jamroll said

To be fair, everyone in Britain was horrified when the video was shown all over the news channels at the time.

The British Army is facing a real recruitment crisis. No one (or very few anyway) wants to go and fight in Iraq.

your media is a lot free-er init