[Aryan_]

Complacency is a massive part of Arab culture and mindset, in today's world it is directed towards Israel and America.

All Hizbollah are trying to do is to reverse that They will overthrow the Lebanese ZOG and the illegal state of Judea....insh'allah

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Are we still pretending that Hezbollah defeated Israel ? Are we still playing that make-believe game ?

keep them coming jew boy

[Variable]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Its not a huge sunni-shia beef. The fighting is between all religious groups involved including Christians and Druze. This is a political conflict and there's no need to turn it into a sectarian as some idiots on this forum have decided to turn it into.

To my brothers and sisters in Islam, the first and foremost characteristic of the Anbiyyah (alaihumus salam) was forebearance. Look beyond the propaganda and realize that this is another great game battle. Transcend the microscopic and see whats happening at the macroscopic level.

Yeh I realize.... it's a fight largely between one group who happens to be one thing, and another who happens to be another thing.

I don't think the Western media sources that I've been reading have really mis-portrayed that (one or two that Got5 had mentioned). They've mentioned that the differences in religion, but haven't focused on them as though they are the cause.

[Kadhim]

I think people need to calm down and do some serious sanity check reflection on the situation. Hezballah has been pretty consistent in the padt years in being a leading force to resist efforts to spin Western-led provocations like assassinations, etc. into destablilization. So suggestions that this turmoil was about Hezballah trying to destabilize Lebanon or selfishly seize power unprovoked should be looked at with a critical eye.

My understanding is that the situation was as follows. Up until the past weeks, serious discussions were taking place, with some considerable success, to determine a peaceful way to fairly share power in Lebanon. Then, a few weeks ago, Saad Hariri returned from several months in Saudi Arabia (where, presumably, he got his latest orders from **** Cheney, who was in Saudi on an overlapping visit). Suddenly, the tone changed 180 degrees and Siniora and the government turned very agressively against Hezbollah. A Hezbollah official at the airport was fired on some lame excuse and orders were made to shut down the Hezbollah TV station. Militias representing Hariri were out in the streets first, and attacked Hezballah and Amal. Apparently Hezbollah then seized these men and turned them over to the army. The Hariri gangs were part of the reason behind the seizure of the Hariri station.
The army pressured the government to back down, and the situation has cooled.

This incident should be understood properly in the context of perennial efforts by the US, Britain, and Israel to stir up trouble in Lebanon and the middle east in general.
In particular, it is linked as well to larger ambitions by the British and American neo-cons to launch war against Syria and Iran.

EDIT: I will also add for the record, to be perfectly clear, that any general level approval on my part of the repsonse of Hezbollah as an organization as a whole to this situation does not in any way excuse any improper action by individuals nominally attached to the organization. On the contrary, anyone who went out of line, intentionally killing unarmed civilians, whether actually with Hezballah or pretending to be as some smear operation has my complete condemnation from the depths of my being. If such actions were carried out by a Hezballah soldier, then I hope that Hezbollah's internal "quality control" department rapidly re-assigns such individuals to a shallow grave on the south side.
Over and out.

[jinnzaman]

I second Kadhim's post. This is clearly the work of external forces.

Follow the strings and you find the puppeteer.

[TrentReznor858]

If all of this is the work of external forces (as everyone has been saying for years and years) one would think the people would have gotten wind of it and STOPPED KILLING EACH OTHER.

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

If all of this is the work of external forces (as everyone has been saying for years and years) one would think the people would have gotten wind of it and STOPPED KILLING EACH OTHER.

Its very easy to preach non-violence behind the safety of a computer screen without living in the reality of one of the most strategically important regions in the history of the world.

[Revert]

I really don't care whos pulling the strings as Muslims are killing MUslims. Aggressors are not allowing people to have their rights and that pisses me off.

end of story.

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Its very easy to preach non-violence behind the safety of a computer screen without living in the reality of one of the most strategically important regions in the history of the world.

That doesnt retort my statement. No one has yet to give me a definitive reason as to why they are killing each other. One person says power, another says religion, another says outside interference...which is it? Are they even correct?

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by Revert

I really don't care whos pulling the strings as Muslims are killing MUslims. Aggressors are not allowing people to have their rights and that pisses me off.

end of story.

Okay, and what will you do with that anger? Wave your fist at them? What will that accomplishment?

I'm not defending either Hezbullah or the Sunni factions. I'm pointing out that the situation is complicated and people need to exercise self-restraint.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by TrentReznor858

If all of this is the work of external forces (as everyone has been saying for years and years) one would think the people would have gotten wind of it and STOPPED KILLING EACH OTHER.

One would think that, but unfortunately it doesn't really work like that. Individuals may be clever, but people as a group are stupid, and easily moulded when you press their buttons.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Kadhim

I think people need to calm down and do some serious sanity check reflection on the situation. Hezballah has been pretty consistent in the padt years in being a leading force to resist efforts to spin Western-led provocations like assassinations, etc. into destablilization. So suggestions that this turmoil was about Hezballah trying to destabilize Lebanon or selfishly seize power unprovoked should be looked at with a critical eye.

My understanding is that the situation was as follows. Up until the past weeks, serious discussions were taking place, with some considerable success, to determine a peaceful way to fairly share power in Lebanon. Then, a few weeks ago, Saad Hariri returned from several months in Saudi Arabia (where, presumably, he got his latest orders from **** Cheney, who was in Saudi on an overlapping visit). Suddenly, the tone changed 180 degrees and Siniora and the government turned very agressively against Hezbollah. A Hezbollah official at the airport was fired on some lame excuse and orders were made to shut down the Hezbollah TV station. Militias representing Hariri were out in the streets first, and attacked Hezballah and Amal. Apparently Hezbollah then seized these men and turned them over to the army. The Hariri gangs were part of the reason behind the seizure of the Hariri station.
The army pressured the government to back down, and the situation has cooled.

This incident should be understood properly in the context of perennial efforts by the US, Britain, and Israel to stir up trouble in Lebanon and the middle east in general.
In particular, it is linked as well to larger ambitions by the British and American neo-cons to launch war against Syria and Iran.

There's a problem with this logic.

Its based on the assumption that a strong pro-Iranian militia group = good for Sunni's.

Can you prove thats the case ?

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

One would think that, but unfortunately it doesn't really work like that. Individuals may be clever, but people as a group are stupid, and easily moulded when you press their buttons.

Are you being sarcastic?

[the_only_one]

things just sucks right now for most muslims and all this sectarian bloodshed isnt making middleast a better place.the possible way to halt this destruction is if. scholars from both sides can mediate a nation wide ceasefire ...and perhaps..the real directors of this film will run out of schemes of spliting the ummah......

allahu 3alim.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Its not a huge sunni-shia beef. The fighting is between all religious groups involved including Christians and Druze. This is a political conflict and there's no need to turn it into a sectarian as some idiots on this forum have decided to turn it into.

To my brothers and sisters in Islam, the first and foremost characteristic of the Anbiyyah (alaihumus salam) was forebearance. Look beyond the propaganda and realize that this is another great game battle. Transcend the microscopic and see whats happening at the macroscopic level.

The conflict in Lebanon is not like that. Interference from abroad has been part of it for centuries but the engines that drive the conflict are all purely local, on the level of individual villages and neighborhoods. The political conflict that you describe is ocurring within a country where identity politics defined by sect and ethnicity has been the norm for hundreds of years. Sect and politics are not separate in lebanon

ws

[TrentReznor858]

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