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The death toll shoots up a few thousand every time I check on this

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BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Burmese storm toll 'tops 10,000'

More than 10,000 people were killed in a devastating cyclone that hit western Burma on Saturday, Foreign Minister Nyan Win has said on state TV.

He said his government was ready to accept international assistance. Aid shipments are now being prepared.

Thousands of survivors of Cyclone Nargis are lacking shelter, drinking water, power and communications.

The United States offered to increase aid offered if Burma agreed to allow a US team access to assess the situation.

First Lady Laura Bush, who takes a special interest in Burma, urged Burma to accept $250,000 (£126,000) already allocated for emergency aid, and said more would be available if the team was allowed into the country.

She also accused the Burmese authorities of failing to give a "timely warning" about the approaching storm, after which five regions - home to 24 million people - have been declared disaster zones.

Sea surge

Expressing his sadness at the scale of the disaster, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon confirmed that UN officials were meeting Burmese government representatives to discuss how to help.

If the toll is confirmed, Nargis is now the world's deadliest storm since a 1999 cyclone in India killed 10,000 people.

Nargis hit the south-east Asian country on Saturday with wind speeds reaching 190km/h (120mph). It brought with it a sea surge that smashed through towns and villages.


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Earlier on Monday, the death toll was being put at 351 but the foreign minister later went on TV to announce the figure of at least 10,000.

With information still coming in, he warned the toll could yet rise.

The towns of Bogalay and Laputta, in the region of Irrawaddy, are among those locations particularly badly hit, state media have reported.

None of the casualty figures have been independently confirmed.

The BBC is not permitted to report from Burma, also known as Myanmar.

Houses 'skeletal'

Thousands of buildings have been flattened, power lines downed, trees uprooted, roads blocked and water supplies disrupted.

People queue to get drinking water in Rangoon on 5 May 2008
Many people have been left without drinking water and shelter

A Rangoon resident who spoke to relatives in Laputta told BBC Burmese that 75% to 80% of the town had been destroyed.

Houses along the coast had been reduced to skeletal structures, 16 villages had been virtually wiped out and no help had reached Laputta, he said.

Pictures on state TV show security services working to clear roads but in Rangoon and elsewhere there are complaints that the response to the disaster has been weak.

An eyewitness describes the cyclone

"Where are the soldiers and police? They were very quick and aggressive when there were protests in the streets last year," a retired government worker complained to Reuters news agency.

He was referring to protests led by Buddhist monks last year that were quickly put down.

Earlier, a BBC journalist monitoring the situation in Burma from Bangkok, Soe Win, said the shortages of power and water were particularly critical.

Local people were saying that if the situation continued for another two or three days, it would be really difficult for them, he reported.

Aid assessment

Several hundred thousand people are in need of shelter and clean drinking water, UN disaster response official Richard Horsey said.


DEADLIEST RECENT STORMS
Hurricane Katrina, US, 2005 - at least 1,836 dead
Orissa Cyclone, 1999, Northern India - at least 10,000 dead
Hurricane Mitch, 1998, Central America - at least 11,000 dead
Typhoon Thelma, 1991, Philippines - 6,000 dead
Bangladesh cyclone, 1991 - about 138,000 dead
Bhola cyclone, 1970 - at least 300,000 dead

Timeline: Major tropical cyclones

But damage to roads and communications mean it is impossible to tell the true extent of the situation, he added.

Prices of food, fuel and basic necessities have also risen dramatically.

The UN and international aid agencies are sending assessment teams to the worst-hit areas and shipments are being prepared.

Thailand has announced it is flying in a transport plane loaded with nine tonnes of food and medicines and India is sending two naval ships carrying food, tents, blankets, clothing and medicines.

The US, which released an immediate funding package of $250,000 (£127,000) to be channelled through the UN, said that Burmese authorities had refused permission for an American disaster assistance response team to enter.

Meanwhile, Burma's military junta has said a referendum on a new national constitution will go ahead on Saturday. People were "eagerly looking forward to voting", it said.

But some people are now wondering if this natural disaster could have serious political repercussions, reports the BBC's Andrew Harding in the Thai capital Bangkok.
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Meanwhile, people like Michael Savage will make fun of this and say they deserved it, just like after the Tsunamis of 2004.
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I have a couple of friends/classmates who are Burmese. I hope their loved ones are ok.

10,000 is just...wow.

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thx for the spotlights on this issue

mainly the areas affected are areas already hard hit by economic turmoil.ppl living there are mainly farmers and fishermen. (except rangoon, business capital)
and by tradition they tend to live in wooden cottages/shacks/huts...(its helps coolen the hot weather in lower burma)..of coz they are the least safe building for a cyclone.

so far..i've not heard of any mosque casualties or any mishap in general concerning muslims.
and amng the casualty in rangoon, are mainly from the poorer district...that lack of concrete housings.

i'm hoping there will be some good out of this disaster.
since burmese buddhist are so superstitius...i hope they see this as a 'punishment' from their 'god/heavens' for the government's brutal crackdown of the protests last year. Basically this can be seen as the revoking of the 'holy' mandate from the God for the government. (whereas white elephantes are considered as a blessing mandate)

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so far..i've not heard of any mosque casualties or any mishap in general concerning muslims.
so? Why should it make a difference whether muslims were a part of the 10,000 dead or not? It's a silly thing to mention.

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pretty sad. over a million might be homeless. puts a lot in perspective...
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so? Why should it make a difference whether muslims were a part of the 10,000 dead or not? It's a silly thing to mention.

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'oon.
It's certainly not as silly as putting muslims and non-muslims in the same category as you put them all the time.

p.s. the inna lilahi is not to be recited for non-muslims..
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Inna lillah wa inna ilaih raji'oon

Things like this really make you pause and reflect, or they should if we think about them.

Just think, on Friday these 10,000 people woke up thinking it was going to be another day. They just went about their lives, thinking about the things they had to do, thinking they had plenty of time to do things, plenty of time to put right things that were wrong, plenty of time to grow old and do things, and achieve things. Just like us. And they were all wiped out in one day. All their plans, and procrastinations, and hopes wiped out.

But we just read this, feel bad for a couple seconds, and then carry on doing whatever it is we were doing, and don't really think about it too much. We don;t really imagine it's going to happen to us. It happens to "them", not us.
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so? Why should it make a difference whether muslims were a part of the 10,000 dead or not? It's a silly thing to mention.

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'oon.
1. if i rephrase ur statement... '

why should it make a difference wheter our relatives are a part of 10000 dead of not?


2. i just said that , coz i know some would want to know. not that it matters to me as i love my countrymen.

btw, among the areas hit, pathein...is heavily populated by muslims.

22'000 deads 41'000missing.
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p.s. the inna lilahi is not to be recited for non-muslims..

"Inna lillaahi.." is meant to be recited upon observing a calamity. 22,000 people dying is a calamity.
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so? Why should it make a difference whether muslims were a part of the 10,000 dead or not? It's a silly thing to mention.

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It's certainly not as silly as putting muslims and non-muslims in the same category as you put them all the time.

p.s. the inna lilahi is not to be recited for non-muslims..
Do you have any evidence to support that it cannot be said in the case of any calamity?

and yes it is silly, we all share the air we breathe, have the same necessities, feel the same emotions. Whether you acknowledge it or not, we are the same people.

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1. if i rephrase ur statement... '

why should it make a difference wheter our relatives are a part of 10000 dead of not?
You're distantly related to a lot of people who may not be muslims in the world. Religion brings similar people together, it does not make the different people less human.
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Do you have any evidence to support that it cannot be said in the case of any calamity?

and yes it is silly, we all share the air we breathe, have the same necessities, feel the same emotions. Whether you acknowledge it or not, we are the same people.



You're distantly related to a lot of people who may not be muslims in the world. Religion brings similar people together, it does not make the different people less human.
Muslims should have respect and compassion for others as you have said we're the same people. If one of us saw someone randomly in need of urgent help would we think that oh if this person is Muslim only then I would help them?? I hope not. If we want others in the world to respect us we have to change this mentality.

I may be distantly related to non-Muslims. I recently found out that I have some although a small amount of Brit blood from my mom side. Never knew about it my whole life but it makes you realise the whole 6 degrees of separation. (if I said that correctly)
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Inna-lillahi-wa-inna-lillahi-rajion

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You're distantly related to a lot of people who may not be muslims in the world. Religion brings similar people together, it does not make the different people less human.
I fail to see where he was making the non-muslims seem less human.
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Inna lilahi wa inna ilaihi raji'oon, this is the first thing I saw when I woke up (cnn.com). It's too sad

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22 THOUSAND dead, 41 THOUSAND missing.. this is not an appropriate time to say