[sally]

Originally Posted by Salika

I don't need need drugs to act high... if I go without food for enough time (like a day, sometimes just a few hours) I seriously lose my mind. I can't walk straight and I do the dumbest things (like once I accidentally had a hijab tailored then somehow threw it away by accident with other stuff I had to toss out). You should see me in Ramadan

lol, i get stupid when im sleep deprived.

but being food deprived...is NOT fun for me. AT ALL. it makes me want to cry now. this past ramadan was by far the biggest struggle for me. iA it wont be so bad this yr (i hope)

[Aryan_]

Marijuana is permissible. Only the fermented juices of grapes and dates are forbidden.

The Hanafi sect believe this too.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

Marijuana is permissible. Only the fermented juices of grapes and dates are forbidden.

Shut your mouth.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

"Every intoxicant is khamr, and every intoxicant is haraam."

(Narrated by Muslim, 2003.)

The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him):

“Khamr is whatever befogs the mind.”

(Al-Bukhaari (4343) and Muslim (3032))

And he [s] further said:

"Every intoxicant is prohibited."

(Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 4088)

If it was just fermented grapes and dates then there would have been no need for the Prophet [s] to say EVERY intoxicant. The Prophet's rule is clear: WHATEVER befogs the mind is haram.

The Hanafi sect believe this too.

Shut your mouth.

Hanafi scholar forbidding weed:

Is Marijuana Haram?

Second Hanafi scholar forbidding weed:

Ask Imam :: Fatwa

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by iliketofish

I've always had a hard time understanding the rationality of haram and halal when dealing with drugs. It seems that our modern religious opinion is influenced heavily by the FDA, government laws, and public opinion. Controlled opiates are OK for pain but marijuana isnt- despite the disparity in side effects. Caffeine is almost a fardh in certain households yet amphetamines/methylphenidates are shunned upon. Sure they're all different classes, but their uses- whether recreational or therapeutic- overlap.

Dear brother,

This is not a surprise. Rather, it is a result of Islam matching up with science.

The Islamic law dictates that all these things are haram, but haram things can become halal if there is a medical necessity. So who better to decide if there is a medical necessity other than the medical community?

Furthermore, the medical community operates on this same principle: that these things are not to be given unless there is a medical necessity.

So the coincidence is not that big, considering the fact that both Islamic law and the medical community act on the same principle, which is that these things are not to be given/taken, unless there is a medical necessity.

Furthermore, the scholars should refer to experts in the field to dictate a ruling. Therefore, the Islamic scholars establish the principle, whereas the experts (i.e. medical doctors) provide the facts and then the principles are applied to those facts.

[iliketofish]

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Dear brother,

This is not a surprise. Rather, it is a result of Islam matching up with science.

The Islamic law dictates that all these things are haram, but haram things can become halal if there is a medical necessity. So who better to decide if there is a medical necessity other than the medical community?

Furthermore, the medical community operates on this same principle: that these things are not to be given unless there is a medical necessity.

So the coincidence is not that big, considering the fact that both Islamic law and the medical community act on the same principle, which is that these things are not to be given/taken, unless there is a medical necessity.

Furthermore, the scholars should refer to experts in the field to dictate a ruling. Therefore, the Islamic scholars establish the principle, whereas the experts (i.e. medical doctors) provide the facts and then the principles are applied to those facts.

A substance, disregarding medical need, would be haraam if its either made from impermissible sources or induces intoxication, right? What about substances like Adderall or Ritalin that are probably chemically synthesized and if anything, sharpen mental acuity. What would make these substances haraam?

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by iliketofish

A substance, disregarding medical need, would be haraam if its either made from impermissible sources or induces intoxication, right? What about substances like Adderall or Ritalin that are probably chemically synthesized and if anything, sharpen mental acuity. What would make these substances haraam?

It would if you took them and you didn't have a prescription for them (prescription = medical necessity). Just like it's okay to take morphine when you're in the hospital recovering from surgery, or if you are dying of cancer, but it's not okay if you're a 17 year old kid who just wants to get high.

[Aryan_]

Is drinking "bhang" halal? - Page 2 - Masabih Islamic Forum

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Shut your mouth.

You shut yours you low caste ajam rat.

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

Is drinking "bhang" halal? - Page 2 - Masabih Islamic Forum

You shut yours you low caste ajam rat.

Glad to know that you take your deen from random people who post on internet forums. So some random guy says that the Hanafi madhab says that you can smoke marijuana, and so now you do that.

I *just* asked Sidi Salman Younas, who answers fatwas on Sunni Path.com (and who is a Hanafi himself), the following question:

Me: Is it true that marijuana is halal in hanafi madhab so long as you dont get intoxicated?

Sidi Salman Younas said: "There is no doubt that marijuana is haram in the hanafi school."

I suspect that the internet poster on that site was confused because he read that only Three of the Four Imams (Shafi'i, Malik, and Ahmad) stated that Hadd punishment should be enforced, whereas Imam Abu Haneefa (ra) differed on this. These three Imams said that whoever drinks anything that intoxicates--even in small NON-intoxicating amounts--is to be punished with the Hadd of 80 lashes.

However, what that internet poster did not state was that Imam Abu Haneefa (ra) demanded that tazeer punishment be enforced on such a person, reserving the hadd punishment only for alcoholic drink.

In Fatawa ‘Al-Khulasa lil-Hanafiyyah’, it is stated:

If an intoxicating amount has been taken then according to Imam Muhammad hadd will be necessary and according to Imam Abu Hanifah and Imam Abu Yusuf he will be reprimanded severely [tazeer], but the hadd will not be imposed.

It should be known that there are THREE founders of the Hanafi madhab, not just Imam Abu Haneefa. The other two were Imam Muhammad and Imam Abu Yusuf. So one of the three Imams stated hadd should be meted out. And two of them stated that tazeer should be meted.

Aryan, I would be more than happy to enforce the tazeer punishment on you. God knows that you need it.

And EVEN if some scholar made an error and allowed marijuana, then you would be ZINDEEQ if you took the errors of the scholars and collected all of them in order to take lenient positions...you would be ZINDEEQ even according to the scholar who took the shadh opinion you adopted!

[Revert]

Medicinal MJ is a legitmate treatment for PTSDin California. Are there any fatwas relating to this situation?

[Aryan_]

[quote=Hanbali;135677]Glad to know that you take your deen from random people who post on internet forums.

You mean like this one?

Originally Posted by Hanbali

I *just* asked Sidi Salman Younas, who answers fatwas on Sunni Path.com (and who is a Hanafi himself), the following question:

Me: Is it true that marijuana is halal in hanafi madhab so long as you dont get intoxicated?

Sidi Salman Younas said: "There is no doubt that marijuana is haram in the hanafi school."

I suspect that the internet poster on that site was confused because he read that only Three of the Four Imams (Shafi'i, Malik, and Ahmad) stated that Hadd punishment should be enforced, whereas Imam Abu Haneefa (ra) differed on this. These three Imams said that whoever drinks anything that intoxicates--even in small NON-intoxicating amounts--is to be punished with the Hadd of 80 lashes.

However, what that internet poster did not state was that Imam Abu Haneefa (ra) demanded that tazeer punishment be enforced on such a person, reserving the hadd punishment only for alcoholic drink.

In Fatawa ‘Al-Khulasa lil-Hanafiyyah’, it is stated:

If an intoxicating amount has been taken then according to Imam Muhammad hadd will be necessary and according to Imam Abu Hanifah and Imam Abu Yusuf he will be reprimanded severely [tazeer], but the hadd will not be imposed.

It should be known that there are THREE founders of the Hanafi madhab, not just Imam Abu Haneefa. The other two were Imam Muhammad and Imam Abu Yusuf. So one of the three Imams stated hadd should be meted out. And two of them stated that tazeer should be meted.

Tazeer sounds good enough fpr me.

Opium and cannabis were considered makruh in Hanafi societies. Which is why its use was so widespread in the two major ones, the Mughals and Ottomans. Later Hanafi scholars declared it haram, but that's just being a killjoy. Sort of like how scholars now declare slavery and concubines to be haram.

Originally Posted by Hanbali

Aryan, I would be more than happy to enforce the tazeer punishment on you. God knows that you need it.

Please...dont make me reach for my hudood cane

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by Revert

Medicinal MJ is a legitmate treatment for PTSDin California. Are there any fatwas relating to this situation?

Among other anxiety, depression, and pain related disorders.