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Re: Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection
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Marijuana is haram because it intoxicates and befogs the mind.
As for health risks, then one health risk is psychosis, and another more important health risk is hell-fire.
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Re: Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection
I've always had a hard time understanding the rationality of haram and halal when dealing with drugs. It seems that our modern religious opinion is influenced heavily by the FDA, government laws, and public opinion. Controlled opiates are OK for pain but marijuana isnt- despite the disparity in side effects. Caffeine is almost a fardh in certain households yet amphetamines/methylphenidates are shunned upon. Sure they're all different classes, but their uses- whether recreational or therapeutic- overlap.
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Re: Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection
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BULLCRAP!
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According to you! No matter how many studies there are, people just cant accept the fact that natural remedies are healthier than their synthetic counterparts.
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Marijuana has been shown to have risks ranging from psychosis and mood disorders to dental problems.
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There is NO proof that marijuana exclusively caused ANY of those problems. Just because people go crazy and they smoke weed doesnt mean the weed causes the problem, that is faulty logic. Not only that, should I look up the various ailments prescription drugs cause? It would be too long to read.
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It may have utility in pain management, but that does not mean that it is safer than prescription meds.
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  and the hypocrisy continues. Gotta love it.
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Marijuana is haram because it intoxicates and befogs the mind.
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So do painkillers and a variety of prescription drugs. Also, the "intoxication and befogs the mind" you speak of only happens to first time smokers or people with no self awareness and control. After a person becomes adjusted to the effects, its becomes more of a "head change" than an intoxication.
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As for health risks, then one health risk is psychosis, and another more important health risk is hell-fire.
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I love how everyone latches onto that ONE study that SUIGGESTED it MAY cause or move along psychosis. Sorry guys, nice try. As for hell fire, I am sure Allah has better things to punish people for than token a joint to relax.
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Cause I got high, cause I got high, cause I got high…
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I've always had a hard time understanding the rationality of haram and halal when dealing with drugs. It seems that our modern religious opinion is influenced heavily by the FDA, government laws, and public opinion. Controlled opiates are OK for pain but marijuana isnt- despite the disparity in side effects. Caffeine is almost a fardh in certain households yet amphetamines/methylphenidates are shunned upon. Sure they're all different classes, but their uses- whether recreational or therapeutic- overlap.
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Agree. But at the same time, they need to justify their rulings. I think if you have more of these studies, it may factor into fatwas given on individual basis. There are times when people overlook politics (involvement of pharmaceutical companies, hiring "ghost writers" for research, misrepresenting data to push their medicine, etc.).
If the argument is about mind toxicity, take something as common as allergy pills, those also have mind altering effects - mood swings, hostility, nightmares...
Anti-depressants can inc. suicidal beh. , and so on.
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05-01-2008, 05:26 PM
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If you abuse MJ then yeah you're gonna go nuts, however prescribed MJ for medicinal puropses obtained lagally and controlled won't send you loopy.
I'm with Trent on this one.
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Yeah, but probably 90% of the people who push for medicinal marijuana use really either a) want to use it recreationally or b) want to be hip.
I'd bet whatever cannabanoids are beneficial in marijuana can be separated from the main plant and THC. I wonder if everyone would be so excited about medical marijuana then?
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I've always had a hard time understanding the rationality of haram and halal when dealing with drugs. It seems that our modern religious opinion is influenced heavily by the FDA, government laws, and public opinion. Controlled opiates are OK for pain but marijuana isnt- despite the disparity in side effects. Caffeine is almost a fardh in certain households yet amphetamines/methylphenidates are shunned upon. Sure they're all different classes, but their uses- whether recreational or therapeutic- overlap.
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While I've always wondered what the deal with caffeine was (I imagine it'd be based on intention?), I don't think comparing the two is very valid. You're comparing a bb gun and a howitzer. Saying the usage for amphetamines/methylphenidates overlaps is like saying the uses of warm milk and xanax overlap.
Aside from the addiction factor, marijuana is probably worse for you than most opiates.
Having said all that, iif marijuana really was necessary for a specific medical case, then imo it would be just as halal as an opiate would be for pain.
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While I've always wondered what the deal with caffeine was (I imagine it'd be based on intention?), I don't think comparing the two is very valid. You're comparing a bb gun and a howitzer. Saying the usage for amphetamines/methylphenidates overlaps is like saying the uses of warm milk and xanax overlap.
Aside from the addiction factor, marijuana is probably worse for you than most opiates.
Having said all that, iif marijuana really was necessary for a specific medical case, then imo it would be just as halal as an opiate would be for pain.
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Amphetamines/methylphenidates and caffeine are commonly used as study aids and to boost concentration. They also share many systemic side effects. They may not be natural but if they do not intoxicate or curb inhibitions at therapeutic doses, what makes them haram? Also, I've often heard that addictive substances are generally considered haram, has anyone heard proof of why?
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Yeah, but probably 90% of the people who push for medicinal marijuana use really either a) want to use it recreationally or b) want to be hip.
I'd bet whatever cannabanoids are beneficial in marijuana can be separated from the main plant and THC. I wonder if everyone would be so excited about medical marijuana then?
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Oh I totally agree, in fact if MJ wa smade legal for medicinal purposes, I'd expect it to be seperated from the THC, i thought thats what was going to happen until i read an article about MM.
Turns out you get a permit to buy weed from some legalized bodegas.
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Re: Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection
I wonder what it's like to get high. I wonder if i'm missing out.
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A former co-worker of mine told me it's like smoking a very, very strong cigarette.
I guess if you've never had a cigarette that doesn't help much.
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