Dutch filmmaker claims Jesus a child of rape

IbnMardhiyah · #31 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hijabihoodlum

i have to interject here. i'm not supporting or rejecting any idea posed by anyone here, but i can't help but make the observation that rape does not make someone less chaste.

I was pointing out that she was virgin, and I was not associating rape with unchastity.

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Originally Posted by thejellymill

are you trying to say he had an immaculate conception?

because the phrase "immaculate conception" refers to the sinless state of Mary at birth. "virgin birth" refers to Jesus' "fatherless" birth. Nothing personal, I just hate it when people dont get stuff straight...i guess it comes with being a religious studies major

Yes I was referring to his conception - that she was not married and yet it was not with a man that she became pregnant.

LEGALEAGLE · #32 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by iliketofish

No one will go to the streets. Netherlands is just going to get invaded... when the Holy Spirit tells Bush its time.

yup...either that or johnny walker...

hijabihoodlum · #33 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

You never cease to amaze me dude.

That kind of "hypothesis" [that Prophet Jesus may have been a product of rape] is offensive to Muslims and Christians on two counts:

a) Everyone knows Jesus' conception was immaculate.
b) That the Virgin Mary was one of the most, if not the most chaste woman, to have ever lived.

with all due respect ibn, you clearly associated rape with chastity here. in order for that association to be taken away, you'd simply have to state that mary was a virgin. chastity need not even be mentioned. sorry; it's just a technical thing.

thejellymill · #34 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Yes I was referring to his conception - that she was not married and yet it was not with a man that she became pregnant.

Well I looked it up just to be sure and here it is...the meaning of Immaculate Conception...

"The belief that before the birth of Mary (the mother of Jesus) was born, she was preserved from original sin at the time of her conception, circa 20 BCE. It is widely but incorrectly believed to refer to Jesus' conception, circa 5 to 8 BCE." Glossary of religious terms (Starting with "I")

"Is a Roman Catholic belief that states that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was also conceived and born without bearing the original sin of human beings."
Franklin & Marshall - Glossary of Religious Terms

IbnMardhiyah · #35 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:19 PM

hijabi, jelly

Y'all are correct, thank you for the assistance.

thejellymill · #36 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

hijabi, jelly

Y'all are correct, thank you for the assistance.

huh? I'm getting a "never gonna win an argument with those crazy women" vibe here

IbnMardhiyah · #37 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thejellymill

huh? I'm getting a "never gonna win an argument with those crazy women" vibe here

No, I'm just calling a spade a spade.

I stand corrected, you advised appropriately of where I had a misconception. Nothing to argue about, and I give thanks where its due. Or so I hope.

Aryan_ · #38 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 06:27 PM

Nothing new about this allegation, the jews have been pushing it for as long as Christians have been around. The more familiar version was that Mary was a ***** and the Roman soldier one of her clients.

When I'm rich enough I'll make my own film about Jewish blood rituals.

ChotooMotoo · #39 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thejellymill

huh? I'm getting a "never gonna win an argument with those crazy women" vibe here

Men can't let women win. The natural thing to do is to change the statement so it looks like you were never arguing in the first place. That way the man, even if he was incorrect, still can't lose. It even weirder when the woman wasn't trying to argue with the man in the first place. No matter how much she tries to do the other (I wasn't arguing with you) she will still lose.

AmroodWaala · #40 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Men can't let women win. The natural thing to do is to change the statement so it looks like you were never arguing in the first place. That way the man, even if he was incorrect, still can't lose. It even weirder when the woman wasn't trying to argue with the man in the first place. No matter how much she tries to do the other (I wasn't arguing with you) she will still lose.

ChotooMotoo · #41 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AmroodWaala

I think I need more than $0.05 worth of help.

AmroodWaala · #42 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

I think I need more than $0.05 worth of help.

I don't know.. first a comment on musical aptitude, now this... don't collapse on us

ChotooMotoo · #43 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AmroodWaala

I don't know.. first a comment on musical aptitude, now this... don't collapse on us

emo pregnant woman on the loose, be afraid, be very afraid.

I actually am musically gifted, a talent a rarely get to use. Kinda makes me feel bad sometimes that I spent so much time and energy as a teenager polishing a talent that I have never really used.

AmroodWaala · #44 (**permalink**) 04-29-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

I actually am musically gifted, a talent a rarely get to use. Kinda makes me feel bad sometimes that I spent so much time and energy as a teenager polishing a talent that I have never really used.

i feel your pain

any instrument in particular?