[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

you cant find the video because there was no video

CNN never interviewed Bin Laden

Its strange that you accept one text statement that made its way to Al-Jazeera somehow, but you do not accept multiple video tapes by both Bin Laden and Zawahri that were also released to Al-Jazeera. If you accept the verification methods of Al-Jazeera (which you obviously do), then videos released by the terrorists in which they say things are a stronger form of evidence than written statements. It makes no sense to take a weak form of evidence from a network while rejecting multiple much stronger forms of evidence from the same network

you are being selective. Believe the stuff that supports a preconceived notion, refuse to believe anything else.

ws

I am being selective but not in the way you mention prior to December of 2001 those tapes were not ONLY verified by Al-Jazeera but numerous "bin laden experts", the tapes past this point are all deemed fake. I gave you those links already.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by ShahRukh

I personally think Osama and his cohorts are not capable of carrying out 911. breaching american air security parameters indiscriminately wouldn't be THAT easy...


but its confirmed that Osama and his cohorts DO justify killing innocent civilians..they've done it in the past in Kenya and Tanzania attacks and took responsiblity for the attacks, and they're doing it right now in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan now...which is very, very pathetic

“I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States (see September 16, 2001). As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of battle.… The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology can survive. They may be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the US itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups capable of causing large-scale destruction."

-Usama bin Ladin.

[ShahRukh]

Well! leave 911 aside, Osama took responsiblity for Kenya/Tanzania attacks which killed hundreds of civilians.

I suggest you watch and read Hamid Mir's interviews, the only journalist who met Osama and interviewed him. He argued with Osama against killings of innocent civilians, and according to him Osama had large collections of books of ahadiths that were cited to justify his views....the interview/argumentation went on for 2 days....

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

I am being selective but not in the way you mention prior to December of 2001 those tapes were not ONLY verified by Al-Jazeera but numerous "bin laden experts", the tapes past this point are all deemed fake. I gave you those links already.

Who are the experts that Al-Jazeera used to verify the accuracy of video tapes from Al-Qaeda before December, 2001?

What happened to them after December 2001?

There was no tape from Bin Laden in the days after 9/11

Anyway, yes you are being selective in the way I described. You are taking one weak piece of evidence from a source as truth and rejecting multiple varied strong pieces of evidence from the same source as untruth. Thats selectivity

[Hanbali]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Who are the experts that Al-Jazeera used to verify the accuracy of video tapes from Al-Qaeda before December, 2001?

What happened to them after December 2001?

There was no tape from Bin Laden in the days after 9/11

Anyway, yes you are being selective in the way I described. You are taking one weak piece of evidence from a source as truth and rejecting multiple varied strong pieces of evidence from the same source as untruth. Thats selectivity

Checked and approved.

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Who are the experts that Al-Jazeera used to verify the accuracy of video tapes from Al-Qaeda before December, 2001?

What happened to them after December 2001?

There was no tape from Bin Laden in the days after 9/11

Anyway, yes you are being selective in the way I described. You are taking one weak piece of evidence from a source as truth and rejecting multiple varied strong pieces of evidence from the same source as untruth. Thats selectivity

You are just saying that they're strong, because they use video and/or audio to communicate, and were released by Al-Jazeera. However, that doesn't make them strong, since videos can be doctored. The audio is even more suspicious, since whether it's the real McCoy or not is questionable, and Al-Jazeera releasing it doesn't make it any more credible, since anyone could've given it to them.

Why would they need to use the more questionable audio-only, if they are able to use video? Also, why is it that the videos that were released in 2002, used the same recycled footage from previous videos? Why not just release a new, genuine video instead?

Also, the November 2001 confession video was a total fake, and if they were faking videos then, who's to say they wouldn't be able to do so now?

Then we have As-Sahab, the brainchild of IntelCenter, with Adam Gadahn as its designated "front-man". They then release a whole flock of videos, but their source is ultimately what refutes their credibility as being genuinely from any real "Al-Qaida" (if such a network even exists). "Al-Qaida" itself appears to not be all it's cracked up to be.

With bin Laden's death, it isn't just the news reports in December, 2001 that prove he died then. It's those in the context of everything else that happened beforehand, and his deafening silence afterwards, which proves it. And no amount of new audio and/or video footage is going to change that, regardless of who releases it.

[roberto]

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With bin Laden's death, it isn't just the news reports in December, 2001 that prove he died then. It's those in the context of everything else that happened beforehand, and his deafening silence afterwards, which proves it. And no amount of new audio and/or video footage is going to change that, regardless of who releases it.[/QUOTE]


It is your opinion that will, not change

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by roberto

It is your opinion that will, not change

As well as the reality that Osama bin Laden died in December, 2001. No new amount of audio and/or video footage from As-Sahab/IntelCenter is going to change that fact.