[Variable]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

Put it plain and simple these men were hired by special interest groups to carry out the attacks and make their actions as traceable as humanly possible. They were no by any means Jihadists.

They were hired hey... I hope they're having a good time spending all the money they must've made.

Is this the kind of evidence that definitively refutes the 'USG's official line'?

[Good_ol_JR]

^ they couldn't have been paid in advance? Money could go to acquantaces, etc. Or do you honestly believe 17 drunk, strip club-hoppers became radicalised over night and decided to leave every trace imagineable subsequent to the attacks

While you're at it, why not explain how OBL can deny involvement less than a week after the attacks and then the US military randomly finds a tape lying around where someone who looks nothing like OBL confesses to the whole thing? And why does he always manage to release vids at oppurtune moments

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

^ they couldn't have been paid in advance? Money could go to acquantaces, etc. Or do you honestly believe 17 drunk, strip club-hoppers became radicalised over night and decided to leave every trace imagineable subsequent to the attacks

While you're at it, why not explain how OBL can deny involvement less than a week after the attacks and then the US military randomly finds a tape lying around where someone who looks nothing like OBL confesses to the whole thing? And why does he always manage to release vids at oppurtune moments

Since when did they have to be well-behaved pious Muslims to execute a suicide attack? Amongst Palestinians, one often finds examples of bombers whose families desribe them as in fact being quite secular (despite them quoting from the Quran in their martyrdom videos). They knew which camp they belonged to, and were willing to give their lives for it... and take out as many who belonged to the other camp as they could doing it.

As for the US military conveniently finding tapes, you'll notice they didn't. They're often released through the Arab media.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by thejellymill

Are you serious? Do you realize this "Shaykh" Usama has no credentials to even call himself an ALIM??? What kind of religious training has this joker had? Do you realize this? When he came out with his 1996 "fatwa" all the real scholars were scratching their heads thinking "okay who gave this guy authority to issue fatwas?"

May Allah save us from the extremism of "Shaykh" Usama and others like him. Ameen.

Stop overanalyzing the conspiracy theories. The Muslim world and the Muslim mind seem to be OBSESSED with conspiracy theories. Just get the hell over it. If I am not mistaken, I was told by my professor that the "Israel did it" or "American did it" conspiracy theory actually surfaced as a joke in Egypt or something and soon caught on as a valid theory. I will inshallah ask him to be sure and get back to this thread.

Ummm wha?

I don't even know where to start...

You call him an extremist...wow...did your professor also tell you to use the classification of the kafir?

So you actually believe the U.S. lie? He denied it, I posted my evidence here. This is what HE said, as for the Masri joke or something....Usama said he didn't do it a week after it happened...

I'm sorry but I can't get over injustice, Shaykh usama has been blamed for something he didn't do and I'm not going to sit here and let that ride.

ma3salama.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Variable

So what's the evidence? MC posted some, and you dismissed it out of hand. What have you got?

umm on the last page I posted many many many links to various sources that contradict the official story...

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Variable

Since when did they have to be well-behaved pious Muslims to execute a suicide attack? Amongst Palestinians, one often finds examples of bombers whose families desribe them as in fact being quite secular (despite them quoting from the Quran in their martyrdom videos). They knew which camp they belonged to, and were willing to give their lives for it... and take out as many who belonged to the other camp as they could doing it.

The situation in Palestine is also very different. They are a people being occupied, killed daily, raided, bombed, et cetera.

As for the US military conveniently finding tapes, you'll notice they didn't. They're often released through the Arab media.

lesse here...

2001 time line

9.11. Planes hit buildings, for some odd reason they blow up because of a fire?
9.16. Usama says he didn't do it in a video released by the '3arab media'
9.28 Usama denies having anything to do with it in an interview with ummat
12.13 US military 'finds a tape' Usama says "yep I did it, I even knew how many people would die"

Suspicious much?

[vegetables]

I wouldn't exactly call the Lavon Affair or USS Liberty incident myths. Both were failed false flag operations intended to build animosity between Egypt and the US...

This administration's bull**** meter has been off the charts for the past 8 years. Why would I take ANYTHING as credible from them?

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by Variable

They were hired hey... I hope they're having a good time spending all the money they must've made.

Is this the kind of evidence that definitively refutes the 'USG's official line'?

What refutes the official conspiracy theory are the lies and cover-ups littered throughout it. The 911 Commission is nothing more than a reflection of that.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

9.16. Usama says he didn't do it in a video released by the '3arab media'

could you link to this video, or a transcript of it in arabic or english by any of the Arab media sources that carried it or non-Arab media sources that covered it, or any article commenting on it by any newspaper, magazine, or television station with national circulation anywhere in the world. Thanks in advance

ws

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

could you link to this video, or a transcript of it in arabic or english by any of the Arab media sources that carried it or non-Arab media sources that covered it, or any article commenting on it by any newspaper, magazine, or television station with national circulation anywhere in the world. Thanks in advance

ws

Oh here it is by CNN
CNN.com - Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks - September 17, 2001

Get it now? He didn't do it

Edit: A better time line than my crappy one above
Context of 'September 16, 2001: Bin Laden Denies Involvement in 9/11 Attacks'

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Oh here it is by CNN
CNN.com - Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks - September 17, 2001

Get it now? He didn't do it

Edit: A better time line than my crappy one above
Context of 'September 16, 2001: Bin Laden Denies Involvement in 9/11 Attacks'

salam

you didnt read your own comment or the one I wrote closely enough. You said there was a video, not a comment attributed to him. Was there a video where he said these things or not? This is relevant

ws

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

salam

you didnt read your own comment or the one I wrote closely enough. You said there was a video, not a comment attributed to him. Was there a video where he said these things or not? This is relevant

ws

I cant find the video, but I'm pretty sure that statement was issued via video.

The CNN interview isn't even enough for you eh?

[ShahRukh]

I personally think Osama and his cohorts are not capable of carrying out 911. breaching american air security parameters indiscriminately wouldn't be THAT easy...


but its confirmed that Osama and his cohorts DO justify killing innocent civilians..they've done it in the past in Kenya and Tanzania attacks and took responsiblity for the attacks, and they're doing it right now in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan now...which is very, very pathetic

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by ShahRukh

I personally think Osama and his cohorts are not capable of carrying out 911. breaching american air security parameters indiscriminately wouldn't be THAT easy...

a couple years prior to 9/11, i used to have a butterfly knife i liked. i carried it with me on planes all the time. anything was allowed except for blades over 4" and guns. box cutters and that sort of thing would've been no big deal.