[YOUSUFofSD]

Originally Posted by roberto

Funny, no pathetic, that every one you disagree with is a racist and a bigot

Actually no, just you and that other bigot.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by YOUSUFofSD

Actually no, just you and that other bigot.

Actually you can't resist using the words bigot and or racist can you?

[ChotooMotoo]

Why to racist bigots always assume that just becuase we don't like being treated like second class citizens, we are okay with other people being treated like second class citizens? How does complaining about our own plight even hint at that?

If we were African American complaining about the "driving while black" phenomenon, would these same bigots assume that we approve of the kind racial descrimination against Aborigines in Australia?

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Why to racist bigots always assume that just becuase we don't like being treated like second class citizens, we are okay with other people being treated like second class citizens? How does complaining about our own plight even hint at that?

If we were African American complaining about the "driving while black" phenomenon, would these same bigots assume that we approve of the kind racial descrimination against Aborigines in Australia?

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must spread rep

i haven't read the thread, but i don't really need to to know exactly what's being said if robertoad and auntysalafi are posting in it (robertoad and auntysalafi, hah! i'm so clever)

[Zeinab]

Originally Posted by roberto

There have been serveral polls with the results, and sources posted on this forum on several occasions, here is one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...23/npoll23.xml




Excuses and an avoidance of reality, which you don’t like, a common feature of Muslims on this forum



Keep my mouth shut, really my dear, hardly the way to behave is it, what part of Birmingham do you come from?

Now what do you suggest I should know about Birmingham to consider the possibility that amongst Muslims in that city a few might be supportive of the bombings?

Firstly, it isn't avoidance of reality - you are not a Muslim living in the UK, and have no idea what ethnic minorities are up against. I'm not playing the victim card because, unlike bigots like you, many people (myslef included) work hard in our communities to make them better - something which the indigineous population don't really have to worry about.

And your comment about Muslim Brummies supporting the bombings - well, it's the same when some 'fundamental' Christians support Israel and what that government gets up to. Many Brits supported and still do support the war in Iraq; many Chinese support the human rights abuses carried out by the Chinese government because they believe that's what's 'best for China', in the same way that loads of Pakistanis support Musharraf and his cronies in Pakistan - there are lots of other examples. Doesn't make any of it right.

Originally Posted by antisalafi

If Muslims feel "oppressed" living in the West, then perhaps it is better for them to go back to their failed Muslim societies that they fled from in the first place.

At least they have the opportunity to do so, unlike the Jews under the Third Reich.

It makes me laugh how Muslims try to compare themselves to Jews, yet indulge in Holocaust denial.

Please continue making sense.

Originally Posted by antisalafi

And you seem anti-Western and anti-kaffir.

So being Muslim automatically makes someon anti-Western? You're reflecting YOUR insecurities onto Muslims. Reveals a lot about you actually.

Originally Posted by roberto

In keeping with your tactfully put suggestion that I should know more about Birmingham before I comment, I’d like to share this with you

Fanatic planned to kidnap British Muslim serviceman and behead him 'like a pig' | UK news | The Guardian

Do you live in Birmingham? Let me guess, no. Have you grown up in Birmingham, seen it change and develop? No. Do you know anything of the people that live here (Muslim or otherwise)? No. So please, keep your stupid comments to yourself.

[antisalafi]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Why to racist bigots always assume that just becuase we don't like being treated like second class citizens, we are okay with other people being treated like second class citizens? How does complaining about our own plight even hint at that?

You want an example? How about this: Muslims around the world were outraged over the film Fitna yet stood silent over the murder of Chaldean Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho in Mosul, Iraq last month, as well as the recent killing of an Assyrian bishop.

I have not once heard of Muslims criticizing how Muslims treat minorities. I have not once heard Muslims condemn the "Islamic Jim Crow" laws of Malaysia. I have not once heard Muslims condemn the Taliban for slaughtering Shi'a Hazaras, but instead blindly endorse the Taliban because they believe that oppression is justified as long as carries the word of the Almighty.

Ever wonder why Middle Eastern Christians and other non-Muslim minorities in Muslim countries have so much hatred against Muslims? Well perhaps you should take a look at your own.

Whining about your own plight will continue to fall on deaf ears until you and every other Muslim organization has the courage to flat out express outrage over the exodus of Iraqi Christians from their ancestral homeland, or the Muslims in Gaza vowing to eliminate the Christian presence from Palestine.

[antisalafi]

Originally Posted by YOUSUFofSD

Actually no, just you and that other bigot.

Bigot is such an overused term to silence legitimate criticism. You're no different from hardcore Zionists who pull the anti-Semite card to silence legitimate criticism of Israel.

[ChotooMotoo]

antisalafi - the only reason YOU haven't heard it, is that you don't WANT to hear it. That's your fault, not ours.

[antisalafi]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

antisalafi - the only reason YOU haven't heard it, is that you don't WANT to hear it. That's your fault, not ours.

Believe me, I am trying to hear these voices. I even searched on this forum as well as a couple of others to see, but on here I saw nothing, while on other forums they were accusing the Iraqi Christians of being collaborators with the occupation

Now who's fault is that? Mine or your own community for overlooking or silently endorsing the subjugation of Christians in the Middle East? Does it make you happy to see that Christians are leaving the Holy Land in droves because of both the Israeli occupation AND the intolerance of Muslims in Bethlehem?

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by antisalafi

Believe me, I am trying to hear these voices. I even searched on this forum as well as a couple of others to see, but on here I saw nothing, while on other forums they were accusing the Iraqi Christians of being collaborators with the occupation

Now who's fault is that? Mine or your own community for overlooking or silently endorsing the subjugation of Christians in the Middle East? Does it make you happy to see that Christians are leaving the Holy Land in droves because of both the Israeli occupation AND the intolerance of Muslims in Bethlehem?

Excuse me, but your selective hearing is not evidence. We HAVE spoken out against injustice time and time again. We speak out against terrorism ALL THE TIME. Every instance you named in your post, people HAVE spoken out against it! Now, if the western media isn't interested in reporting it, that's not something we have control over.

Some things are so blatantly and obviously wrong, that we really shouldn't have to be on our toes every second of every day saying "jee, that's wrong."

Since you're not protesting the war in Iraq, should I assume that you are "silently endorsing" it? Since you're not out there every day protesting abortions, child pornography, human traficing, the exploitation of illegal immigrants in America, the underage sex trade in Asian countries, should I automatically assume that you support, indulge in, or encourage such things?

If I did, you would immediately call me out, telling me that I had a skewed view, and was being incredibly unfair.

So yeah, I think you're a racist bigot who just hates for the sake of hating, and has absolutely no interest in seeing things from anyone elses angle, and that the only reason you're here is so you can hate Muslims even more than you already do.

[antisalafi]

Muslims who constantly complain about how "oppressed" they are under the kuffar yet turn around and kick Christians out of Mosul or forcing them to give their daughters up to your precious mujahideen or intimidating the already-diminishing Christian presence in Bethlehem gives many people enough reason to hate Muslims.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by antisalafi

Muslims who constantly complain about how "oppressed" they are under the kuffar yet turn around and kick Christians out of Mosul or forcing them to give their daughters up to your precious mujahideen or intimidating the already-diminishing Christian presence in Bethlehem gives many people enough reason to hate Muslims.

So I guess I should hate every single Christian ever born, from now until eternity becuase American Christian soldiers in Okinawa have raped the local women there. I should hate every Christian who were ever born or ever will live from now until eternity, becuase Christian priests were complicit in the systematic genocide Tutsi's and moderate Hutu's in Rwanda?
Cool beans, thanks.

Keep on hating.

[antisalafi]

At least Christians distance themselves from such actions, whereas Muslims continue to make excuses for every terror attack that occurs everywhere in the world. British Muslims think they are under a siege mentality yet they saw no problem with the failed terrorist plots of last summer in Glasgow and London.

So yeah, as long as Muslims continue to live under a 'siege mentality' all the while skirting the law to impose their worldview on others, I believe many people will continue to dislike Muslims.

Talk to an Assyrian or Pakistani Catholic or an East Timorese Catholic how they feel about Muslims, and you'll understand why.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by antisalafi

At least Christians distance themselves from such actions, whereas Muslims continue to make excuses for every terror attack that occurs everywhere in the world. British Muslims think they are under a siege mentality yet they saw no problem with the failed terrorist plots of last summer in Glasgow and London.

Really? Prove it. Prove that Muslims 100% support terrorism and that 0% of us have any problem with terrorist acts. Prove that 100% of all Muslims hate 100% of non-Muslims and that 100% of us 100% support the oppression of non-Muslim and even Muslim ethnic minorities in Muslim countries. While you're at it, why not prove that these Muslim countries are 100% Islamic in their laws and adherance to Islam, so that you can then go and blame it all 100% on Islam.

Prove that Christians 100% distance themselves from such actions as well. Prove to me that the KKK are 0% Christian, and that Christianity has never in it's history ever been distorted to support any kind of racism. Prove to me that that the slave owners in America centuries past were not Christian, and 100% of them felt that Christianity looked down on the slave trade.

Prove it.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by antisalafi

Muslims who constantly complain about how "oppressed" they are under the kuffar yet turn around and kick Christians out of Mosul or forcing them to give their daughters up to your precious mujahideen or intimidating the already-diminishing Christian presence in Bethlehem gives many people enough reason to hate Muslims.

You're casting a pretty wide net when it comes to your accusations of Muslim hypocrisy. It exists for sure amongst some, but not so widely or virulently as you seem to think.