[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by roberto

Thanks but, further stupid comment is not required

Answer the question.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by roberto

How do the majority of British Muslims feel about this, please assume a legal war against a Muslim state aggressor

Would it be a war of liberation, to bring an enlightened form of government to this backward country?

Then I expect ALL British citizens would dance in the streets, scream with joy, give the soldiers candy, and thank the soldiers. Except for the terrorists, of course.

[Pushpa]

Originally Posted by roberto

With all other things equal is there any difference between participating in a war against a Muslims country’s army and that of a non-Muslim country’s army?

Do you think it is acceptable for a Muslim to enroll in the armed section of the police and fire if rquired on Muslims engaged in terrorist activities, or say armed robbery?

An aggressor is an aggressor, whether Muslim or non-Muslim. Incidentally, an offensive war is not Islamically legitimate.

If my own (non-Muslim / secular) country is the aggressor, then the war is equally wrong and whether our opponents are Muslim or non-Muslim is equally irrelevant.

It would be wrong for Muslims to fight against a Muslim army, in my opinion, if the side you're fighting on is actively engaged in fighting the Islamic beliefs and way of life itself, or desires to oppress Muslims so as to prevent them from living according to Islam.

As to your second question, if it is a question of law enforcement, and the persons are clearly transgressing the law - absolutely. Why ever not?

[Salahadeen]

Dear Roberto,

I will answer all your questions. You are thinking we are ignoring you out of fear of 'exposing ourselves', but that is not true. Just please word your questions in a simple way...the best way to word your questions is "Is it permissible for a Muslim..." Then we can give a yes or no answer insha-Allah.

Do you think it is acceptable for a Muslim to enroll in the armed section of the police and fire if rquired on Muslims engaged in terrorist activities, or say armed robbery?

The Saudi Ulema have issued a fatwa on this topic. I say this only so that you know it is not my lone opinion, but rather it is what the scholars say. They have said that it is completely allowed to help the Non-Muslim authorities arrest Muslim terrorists. But this applies to Muslims who are actually terrorists, who either incite others to terrorism, who engage in it themselves, or who have a firm plan to engage in that. So we can inform the authorities on all of these people. But if the person is merely guilty of a "thought-crime" (i.e. merely sympathizing with terrorists without being a threat himself), then we should debate with this person, show him the falseness in his ways, and advise him to correct his deviant beliefs.

So yes, a Muslim can join the Non-Muslim police. If there is a Muslim armed robber, then yes a Muslim police officer can fire on him if there is no other way and if there is danger to life. But if there is some other way to stop the criminal--such as advising him, cautioning him, or preventing him with non-lethal force--then this is the way to go.

[Bluestar]

No dammit, i have more power than you, you will answer MY questions. Then i will assess you, after scrutinous observations under a magnifying glass and minor pokings with a very large stick. That's because i'm He-Man, power of the universe and all that _________.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by Pushpa

An aggressor is an aggressor, whether Muslim or non-Muslim. Incidentally, an offensive war is not Islamically legitimate.

If my own (non-Muslim / secular) country is the aggressor, then the war is equally wrong and whether our opponents are Muslim or non-Muslim is equally irrelevant.

It would be wrong for Muslims to fight against a Muslim army, in my opinion, if the side you're fighting on is actively engaged in fighting the Islamic beliefs and way of life itself, or desires to oppress Muslims so as to prevent them from living according to Islam.

As to your second question, if it is a question of law enforcement, and the persons are clearly transgressing the law - absolutely. Why ever not?

Thanks however, your answer to the original question was clear and concise, these additional question were only presented as a responses to what I believed was a request for clarification from a forum member

[roberto]

Originally Posted by Salahadeen

Dear Roberto,

The Saudi Ulema have issued a fatwa on this topic. I say this only so that you know it is not my lone opinion, but rather it is what the scholars say. They have said that it is completely allowed to help the Non-Muslim authorities arrest Muslim terrorists. But this applies to Muslims who are actually terrorists, who either incite others to terrorism, who engage in it themselves, or who have a firm plan to engage in that. So we can inform the authorities on all of these people. But if the person is merely guilty of a "thought-crime" (i.e. merely sympathizing with terrorists without being a threat himself), then we should debate with this person, show him the falseness in his ways, and advise him to correct his deviant beliefs.

So yes, a Muslim can join the Non-Muslim police. If there is a Muslim armed robber, then yes a Muslim police officer can fire on him if there is no other way and if there is danger to life. But if there is some other way to stop the criminal--such as advising him, cautioning him, or preventing him with non-lethal force--then this is the way to go.

Thank you, however I fail to see why the wording of my original question presented difficulty to you


As a general reassurance lets hope that the response on this forum and indeed the results of some polls searching to identify the Uk Muslims attitude to terrorism etc have not been indicative of a different attitude to that presented by you

As an aside perhaps instead of being so very dismissive of the writings of tabloids such as the Daily Mail you should bear in mind that to some extent papers echo what people think and feel

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by roberto

As a general reassurance lets hope that the response on this forum and indeed the results of some polls searching to identify the Uk Muslims attitude to terrorism etc have not been indicative of a different attitude to that presented by you

One soverign country attacking another isn't terrorism.

[roberto]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

One soverign country attacking another isn't terrorism.

I am fully aware of that; however please note that my comment was a reply to Salahadeen whose post did not refer to war