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Old 01-24-2008, 08:56 AM
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Three Little Pigs 'too offensive'
By Sean Coughlan
BBC News, education

A story based on the Three Little Pigs fairy tale has been turned by a government agency's awards panel as the subject matter could offend Muslims.
The digital book, re-telling the classic story, was rejected by judges who warned that "the use of pigs raises cultural issues".

Becta, the government's educational technology agency, is a leading partner in the annual Bett Award for schools.

The judges also attacked Three Little Cowboy Builders for offending builders.

The book's creative director, Anne Curtis, said the idea that including pigs in a story could be interpreted as racism was "like a slap in the face".

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The CD-Rom digital version of the traditional story of the three little pigs, called Three Little Cowboy Builders, is aimed at primary school children.

But judges at this year's Bett Award said that they had "concerns about the Asian community and the use of pigs raises cultural issues".

The Three Little Cowboy Builders has already been a prize winner at the recent Education Resource Award - but its Newcastle-based publishers, Shoo-fly, were turned down by the Bett Award panel.

The feedback from the judges explaining why they had rejected the CD-Rom highlighted that they "could not recommend this product to the Muslim community".

They also warned that the story might "alienate parts of the workforce (building trade)".

The judges criticised the stereotyping in the story of the unfortunate pigs: "Is it true that all builders are cowboys, builders get their work blown down, and builders are like pigs?"

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Ms Curtis said that rather than preventing the spread of racism, such an attitude was likely to inflame ill-feeling. As another example, she says would that mean that secondary schools could not teach Animal Farm because it features pigs?

Her company is committed to an ethical approach to business and its products promote a message of mutual respect, she says - and banning such traditional stories will "close minds rather than open them".

Becta, the government funded agency responsible for technology in schools and colleges, says that it is standing by the judges' verdict.

"Becta with its partners is responsible for the judging criteria against which the 70 independent judges, mostly practising teachers, comment. All the partners stick by the judging criteria," said a Becta spokesman.

The reason that this product was not shortlisted was because "it failed to reach the required standard across a number of criteria", said the spokesman.

Becta runs the awards with the Besa trade association and show organisers, Emap Education.

Merlin John, author of an educational technology website which highlighted the story, warns that such rulings can undermine the credibility of the awards.

"When benchmarks are undermined by pedestrian and pedantic tick lists, and by inflexible, unhelpful processes, it can tarnish the achievements of even the most worthy winners.

"It's time for a rethink, and for Becta to listen to the criticisms that have been ignored for a number of years," said Mr John.

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yeah - I don't think kids would imbibe the message that all builders are cowboys from a storybook, that builders have their work blown down, or that builders are like pigs. Those elements exist in the original fairytale - are we going to censor it or stop kids from reading it in its original form?

Nor am I convinced that Muslims would be offended by a book simply featuring pigs. Are we going to stop kids reading Enid Blyton's Famous Five books? Because some of those contain what might easily be seen as derogatory cultural stereotypes towards certain groups, such as gypsies and travellers.
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Yeah, this is political correctness gone into overdrive.

This sounds similar to when some well-meaning nincompoops decided that saying the phrase "Merry Christmas" should be replaced so as not to offend Muslims, when Muslims are not bothered in the slightest.
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Yeah, this is political correctness gone into overdrive.

This sounds similar to when some well-meaning nincompoops decided that saying the phrase "Merry Christmas" should be replaced so as not to offend Muslims, when Muslims are not bothered in the slightest.
Well in Toronto they do say 'Happy Holidays' rather than Merry Christmas. But yeah, I find that excessive. At my sister's youth group she was told that youth workers were not to say 'black coffee' or 'white coffee' but rather 'coffee with / without milk.' Can you imagine!
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I love it when goras tell us what's going to offend us.
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I love it when goras tell us what's going to offend us.
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Im a Gora...
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man. i go out of my way to not kill pigs so that they can live long, healthy and happy lives, and now the "board of education's" gotta step in and put those guys out of a job?!

sometimes you just can't win...
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Whatchu talkin bout,

The pigs is what keepin the brothas down.
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lol... ditto
omg! dat is sooooo racialist!

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Erm, well, by "gora", I mean non-Muslim euro-folks who sit on boards and hand down stupid decrees. Or something like that. Obviously not a nice, friendly gora like you.

P.S. Sorry if anyone found my comment offensive. I just hate when people assume that Muslims are all of the same narrow-minded opinion on everything. And, of course, I ended up doing the same thing.
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Whenever someone says the word "pig" around me, I almost get a seizure and my nose starts to bleed.
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Erm, well, by "gora", I mean non-Muslim euro-folks who sit on boards and hand down stupid decrees. Or something like that. Obviously not a nice, friendly gora like you.

P.S. Sorry if anyone found my comment offensive. I just hate when people assume that Muslims are all of the same narrow-minded opinion on everything. And, of course, I ended up doing the same thing.
Gora is used by most people in the UK to refer to any random white person..I had a debate with JayshAllah about it once on here..i hate the term as much as a Black Person hates the N word or a UK Pakistani hates the P word.

It might just be me on this board that hates it, but back home the vast majority of people know the word and hate it..(all whiteys like me lol)

If you didn't mean it in that way then its all good...
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Gora is used by most people in the UK to refer to any random white person..I had a debate with JayshAllah about it once on here..i hate the term as much as a Black Person hates the N word or a UK Pakistani hates the P word.

It might just be me on this board that hates it, but back home the vast majority of people know the word and hate it..(all whiteys like me lol)

If you didn't mean it in that way then its all good...
Bro, I think you may have brought this issue up before, but I'm not sure if you know that "gora" itself is not a bad word, in the way for example the N-word is. It's just the word for the colour white.

However, in contemporary usage, it means specifically the British Caucasian. Like someone might say "Americans are like that. Goreh are like this" Even though, both American and British Caucasians are in fact white.

I understand that you feel it is used as an insult, because in some circles it is used by people who look disparagingly at Caucasian Brits, and it seems that that has been your experience. Well, I say pooh! to those foolios!

I can assure you though, it is just a descriptive word, and carries no negative connotations other than the way in which any word can be an insult just by the way it's delivered. For example, I could say to my mum "Oh you must meet Revert. He's a Gora Muslim from Birmingham." in the same way that I could say "Oh you must meet Abdul. He's a Bangladeshi Muslim from Ilford".
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This thread offends me
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