[Shahnawaz]

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It's reported that suicides among U.S. soldiers in Iraq is endemic. The failure and frustration of not being able to win the war, the conditions of being away from home, and getting seriously crippled has put a toll on troops. Returning U.S. veterans are uniting to denounce the war back home.


I think Abu Abdillah Osama Bin Laden has poignant words to this regard...

I say that it is useful for you to listen to the moving messages by your soldiers in Iraq, who pay with their blood, nerves, and body parts a price for such irresponsible statements like Joshua's eloquent message which he voiced in the media, wiping tears from his eyes and using harsh names to label US politicians. He called on them to accompany him there for just a few days so that his message might meet an attentive ear in order to save him and more than 150,000 of your sons there who are suffering greatly. If they leave their barracks, then mines would get them. If they refuse to leave their barracks, then they would receive court orders. This leaves them with no choice but to commit suicide or cry. Both choices are among the worst tribulations. Is there anything left for men to do other than crying and killing themselves to have you listen to them? They cry or kill themselves due to the intense fear, humiliation, and terror they are suffering from. It is even worse than what slaves used to suffer from in your country centuries ago. It is as if some of them have moved from one type of slavery to another that is much more intense and harmful, even though it might be in the form of attire adorned with financial benefits from the Pentagon. Can you feel their great suffering?

[revivalist786]

less work for the mujahideen

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by revivalist786

less work for the mujahideen

At this rate in the year 2154 there will be none left for the mujahideen warriors to kill! Allahu AKBAR!

[Shahnawaz]

Take note of the Shaykh's words that I quoted. America's sons are left with no option but to cry and refuse to fight or end it all by commiting suicide. Either that, or they face a group of people who yearn for death on the battlefield as much as they yearn to live.

All for the benefit of a few CEOs and Bush's family members. You can't help but feel sorry for these people.

[MossadConspiracy]

i wonder who else commits suicide alot in iraq

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

i wonder who else commits suicide alot in iraq

Emo's...?
....

[Bruinrab]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

i wonder who else commits suicide alot in iraq

pwned

"must spread rep"

[Shahnawaz]

Well theres suicide which takes place in ones barracks silently through draining of blood by slitting ones wrist, and then theres another "suicide" which is a military tactic abd is carried out againt the enemy which then shakes the enemy to the core.

1 out of dispare and hopelessness with nothing achieved but ones dishonerable end, the other is used as a means to attack the enemy (which yields much results) and also results in ones own death.

If the two are the same in your eyes then you guys are "pwning" yourself with such delusion.

[Yahya]

assalamualaikum

Originally Posted by Shahnawaz

Well theres suicide which takes place in ones barracks silently through draining of blood by slitting ones wrist, and then theres another "suicide" which is a military tactic abd is carried out againt the enemy which then shakes the enemy to the core.

1 out of dispare and hopelessness with nothing achieved but ones dishonerable end, the other is used as a means to attack the enemy (which yields much results) and also results in ones own death.

If the two are the same in your eyes then you guys are "pwning" yourself with such delusion.

the 'military tactic' seems to be only shaking the core of own suposedly brothers and sisters

walaikumsalaam
Yahya

[Bruinrab]

I can think of well-publicized instances where the following rules have been violated by Muslims within the last few years.

Islam Online

First, Islam draws a clear distinction between combatants and non-combatants. Non-combatants such as women, children, the old and infirm are not to be killed. Also, monks in monasteries and people in places of worship are to be spared.

These are the rights that Islam confers on combatants:

No one should be burned alive or tortured with fire.

Wounded soldiers who are neither unfit to fight, nor actually fighting, should not be attacked.

Prisoners of war should not be killed.

It is prohibited to kill anyone who is tied up or in captivity.

Residential areas should not be pillaged, plundered or destroyed, nor should the Muslims touch the property of anyone except those who are fighting against them.

Muslims must not take anything from the general public of the conquered country without paying for it.

The corpses of the enemy must not be disgraced or mutilated.

Corpses of the enemy should be returned.

Treaties must not be broken.

Muslims are prohibited from opening hostilities without properly declaring war against the enemy, unless the adversary has already started aggression against them.

This doesn't absolve "western" soldiers of their many crimes in these conflicts, but if we want the moral high ground, we have to actually show that we have a higher set or morals.

If insurgents/rebels/whatever else you call them want the legitimacy of soldiers, then they must know and adhere adhere to the ethics of warfare. Otherwise, they're just thugs with dangerous toys.

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by Bruinrab

I can think of well-publicized instances where the following rules have been violated by Muslims within the last few years.

Islam Online



This doesn't absolve "western" soldiers of their many crimes in these conflicts, but if we want the moral high ground, we have to actually show that we have a higher set or morals.

If insurgents/rebels/whatever else you call them want the legitimacy of soldiers, then they must know and adhere adhere to the ethics of warfare. Otherwise, they're just thugs with dangerous toys.

The Zarqophiles have a way of making stuff up and attributing it to Islam and completely disregarding Islamic convention on warfare.

[shadha]

MC & Yayha. :thumbs are the up:


shadha-

[Shahnawaz]

Originally Posted by Bruinrab

I can think of well-publicized instances where the following rules have been violated by Muslims within the last few years.

Islam Online



This doesn't absolve "western" soldiers of their many crimes in these conflicts, but if we want the moral high ground, we have to actually show that we have a higher set or morals.

If insurgents/rebels/whatever else you call them want the legitimacy of soldiers, then they must know and adhere adhere to the ethics of warfare. Otherwise, they're just thugs with dangerous toys.

Though not all of the above is correct, its does outline the general principles regarding Warfare. And as much as you and other masochistic apologists would like to deny it, these rulings are upheld by the Mujahideen and are not rejected.
There are however exceptions and sometimes actions do go beyond rulings stated in your quote.

But I ask you, does this justify some of the wholesale excommunications of the resistence and jihad that you and your ilk take part in? Is this not done as just an excuse for your own ignorance and cowardice?

The reason I ask you is because if you do this regarding the Mujahideen of today, what stops you from doing this regarding the best of generations, namely the Sahaba, who also made mistakes in ijtihad in warfare. For example your quote stated,

No one should be burned alive or tortured with fire.

It is well known that Ali (ra) burned some of the extremist Shia of his time. This was a mistake on his part, and Ibn Abbas upon hearing it said that he would've advised agaisnt it. Does this now mean we start calling Ali a terrorist becuase he is not carrying out Jihad "correctly" and until he does he is to be rejected? If so, then I have a feeling that if some of you were to be around at the time of Ali you would have been amont the khawarij who rejected him on the basis of such nonesense.

I did not give the above example to dishonor the Sahaba, for anyone who does is surely amonst the Kuffar. But I presented it so that some of you understand that your stance regardingg the resistence is unfair as you expect them to be above angels with no mistakes. Sure we are against Allah's laws being broken, but we can't on that basis seperate ourselves from Muslims just to please the Kuffar. We have to remember that they are carrying out the greatest deed after the Shahada. That is the position of Ahlus Sunnah, in between the apologists and the extremists.


OH AND CAN WE REMAIN ON THE TOPIC PLEASE, AS THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER THREADS WHERE YOU CAN GO AND BADMOUTH MUSLIMS. THIS IS ABOUT THE LOSS OF HOPE AMONG THE US FORCES, LEADING TO THEIR SUICIDES

[zzze]

Assalamu alaykum

Originally Posted by Anderson

At this rate in the year 2154 there will be none left for the mujahideen warriors to kill! Allahu AKBAR!

you really shouldn't make such jokes, I'm not sure if the MI5 know what or care what sarcasam is. Some guy from london was arrested not so long ago and one of the evidences they used was correspondance via internet on 'jihaad' and killings.

This world is a scary place..you can get punished for things you havent even done et. It's about to turn 1984