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Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims

By Jonathan Wynne-Jones
Last Updated: 6:03pm GMT 06/01/2008




Islamic extremists have created "no-go" areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter, one of the Church of England's most senior bishops warns today.

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The Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester and the Church's only Asian bishop, says that people of a different race or faith face physical attack if they live or work in communities dominated by a strict Muslim ideology.


Bishop Nazir-Ali warns that attempts are being made to give Britain an increasingly Islamic character


The Muslim Council of Britain today described his comments as "frantic scaremongering", while William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, said the bishop had "probably put it too strongly".

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said the idea of no-go areas was "a gross caricature of reality".

Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, Bishop Nazir-Ali compares the threat to the use of intimidation by the far-Right, and says that it is becoming increasingly difficult for Christianity to be the nation's public religion in a multifaith, multicultural society.

His comments come as a poll of the General Synod - the Church's parliament - shows that its senior leaders, including bishops, also believe that Britain is being damaged by large-scale immigration.

Bishop Nazir-Ali, who was born in Pakistan, gives warning that attempts are being made to give Britain an increasingly Islamic character by introducing the call to prayer and wider use of sharia law, a legal system based on the Koran.

advertisementIn an attack on the Government's response to immigration and the influx of "people of other faiths to these shores", he blames its "novel philosophy of multiculturalism" for allowing society to become deeply divided, and accuses ministers of lacking a "moral and spiritual vision".

Echoing Trevor Phillips, the chairman of the Commission for Equalities and Human Rights, who has said that the country is "sleepwalking into segregation", the bishop argues that multiculturalism has led to deep divisions.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, has accused Muslims of promoting a kind of "voluntary apartheid" by shutting themselves in closed societies and demanding immunity from criticism.

In the Synod survey, to be published this week, bishops, senior clergy and influential churchgoers said that an increasingly multi-faith society threatens the country's Christian heritage and blamed the divisions on the Government's failure to integrate immigrants into their communities.

It found that more than one in three believe that a mass influx of people of other faiths is diluting the Christian nature of Britain and only a quarter feel that they have been integrated into society.

The overwhelming majority - 80 per cent - said that the Government has not upheld the place of religion in public life and up to 63 per cent fear that the Church will be disestablished within a generation, breaking a bond that has existed between the Church and State since the Reformation.

Calls for disestablishment have grown following research showing that attendance at Mass has overtaken the number of worshippers at Church of England Sunday services.

Bishop Nazir-Ali, whose father converted from Islam to Catholicism, was criticised by Ibrahim Mogra, of the Muslim Council of Britain. He said: "It's irresponsible for a man of his position to make these comments.

"He should accept that Britain is a multicultural society in which we are free to follow our religion at the same time as being extremely proud to be British. We wouldn't allow 'no-go' areas to happen. I smell extreme intolerance when people criticise multiculturalism without proper evidence of what has gone wrong."



But the Bishop's concerns are shared by other members of the General Synod.

The Rt Rev Nicholas Reade, the Bishop of Blackburn, which has a large Muslim community, said that it was increasingly difficult for Christians to share their faith in areas where there was a high proportion of immigrants of other faiths.

He believes that increasing pressure will be put on the Government to begin the process of disestablishment and end the preferential status given to the Church of England. "The writing is on the wall," he said.

Gordon Brown relinquished Downing Street's involvement in appointing bishops in one of his first facts as Prime Minister - a move viewed by some as a significant step towards disestablishment.

Last night, Mr Davis said: "Bishop Nazir-Ali has drawn attention to a deeply serious problem. The Government's confused and counter-productive approach risks creating a number of closed societies instead of one open, cohesive one. It generates the risk of encouraging radicalisation and creating home-grown terrorism."

Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "Bishop Nazir-Ali appears to be exercised by what he perceives as the decline in the influence of Christianity upon this country, but trying to frantically scaremonger about Islam and Muslims seems to us to be a rather unethical way of trying to reverse this.

"He talks about the rise of 'Islamic extremism' but fails to mention how some of the policies of our government and especially that of the United States in the Middle East over several decades now has clearly contributed to this phenomenon."

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What's the big deal?

This is just history repeating itself.
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I call Bee-Ess
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Yup;took the words right out of my mouth.
This is kind of a sidenote to muslims in the UK;
And I think programs like "Undercover Mosque" will only help with more division between Muslim and non-Muslims in England.
I don't live over there, but on youtube they had the entire program. They pretty much just went into wahabi-dominated masajids-but even though it was so, they definitely took so much stuff out of context.

How can the Brits even have the audacity to be this way? Last time I checked they colonized several muslim countries. If they want to settle in your land after all of this, don't complain.
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Also, maybe these people need to remember that most of the Muslims in the UK were invited to the UK
- first people from the ex-colonies, not for altruistic reasons, but because the British required help to rebuild after the Second World War,
- the next big wave came after Britain participated in wars in Bosnia, Kosovo and other Balkan states; there were also refugees from Somalia at this time too
- and finally again refugees from the wars Britain started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Yup;took the words right out of my mouth.
This is kind of a sidenote to muslims in the UK;
And I think programs like "Undercover Mosque" will only help with more division between Muslim and non-Muslims in England.
I don't live over there, but on youtube they had the entire program. They pretty much just went into wahabi-dominated masajids-but even though it was so, they definitely took so much stuff out of context.

How can the Brits even have the audacity to be this way? Last time I checked they colonized several muslim countries. If they want to settle in your land after all of this, don't complain.
Yeah after that doc the Government performed a study on how extreme British Masjids were. They went out to Mosques and bookstores to find eveidence of extreme literature. They bought up a bunch fo extreme books form various masjids all over the UK. However Newsnight (a news program in the UK) did a follow up on this study only to find the books were bought form sellers who were unrelated to the mosques and bookstores, in most cases the reciepts were forged and mostly by the same person.
Jinnzamans blog has the link on it.

The Brits are acting in this way out of pure xenophobia, propagated by obvious untruths.
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- and finally again refugees from the wars Britain started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Britain didn't really start those wars, it just hastily jumped on board.


Anyway, has anyone who lives in Britain seen any place that comes even close to what this guy is claiming?
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Islamic extremists have created "no-go" areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter, one of the Church of England's most senior bishops warns today.

The Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester and the Church's only Asian bishop, says that people of a different race or faith face physical attack if they live or work in communities dominated by a strict Muslim ideology.
Blatant lies and distortion. There are no areas in Britain like that.

There are poor ghettoised areas where an outsider is likely to be recognised and targeted. But that equally includes white, black, bengali or pakistani area. For example, up to a few years ago Whitechapel was dangerous for young non-bengalis (including pakistanis and bengalis from other gangs and areas) and Custom House was dangerous for non-Whites.

Why don't they tackle poverty instead of the invisible strawmen.

edit: I forgot to mention the recent phenomenon of Tamil Tiger no-go zones.
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Britain didn't really start those wars, it just hastily jumped on board.


Anyway, has anyone who lives in Britain seen any place that comes even close to what this guy is claiming?
I haven't been back for 2 years but I lived in COventry which had large Muslim communities. The place where I worked had probably a 45% Muslim workforce. I went to school in Birmingham (UCE Perry Barr) which is in an area made of a large percentage of Muslims. I have never seen anything close to what the article is claiming, I highly doubt that times have changed that much in 2 years too. MY uni was a minutes walk form this masjid: Birmingham: Perry Barr Photograph Gallery: Jame Masjid Mosque
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MY uni was a minutes walk form this masjid: Birmingham: Perry Barr Photograph Gallery: Jame Masjid Mosque
Saddam Hussein mosque. Lol.

A monument to the great friendship Saddam once enjoyed with Britain.
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Saddam Hussein mosque. Lol.

A monument to the great friendship Saddam once enjoyed with Britain.
I remember there was a kid at school called Saddam. Poor guy, during the Gulf War he used to get beaten up all the time.
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In a word, no. And I am not exactly Muslim looking, so if it really was a no-go area, then I wouldn't fare too well... Some shock-jocks have stated similar things about here in Sydney but it is nonsense. They said my area is a Muslim ghetto just because we have a beautiful mosque here; yet they forget that we still have heaps of Chinese and Vietnamese shops/restaurants here, as well as Fiji Islanders and Tongans with their Churches and so on as well as what folks in Australia call "Anglo's" - white folks.

Nice of the Aussie government to lump all refugees from the Middle East and Africa in one place though eh... that way they can complain about it being a Muslim ghetto -- except many of the East Africans are Sudanese Christian but that doesn't matter, they are black.

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my sister's kitchen is a human no-go zone. If you're not careful, you'll walk in and it go BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! than you have dirty dishes and crud all over. oopsie.
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How can the Brits even have the audacity to be this way? Last time I checked they colonized several muslim countries. If they want to settle in your land after all of this, don't complain.
I find it hard to associate the word “colonised” with a take over, real or imaginary, by a backward inferior culture, of one so much more advanced
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